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458 Gated Manual Ferrari 458, looks like EAG are really doing it!

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by Tarek307, Jun 1, 2019.

  1. vrsurgeon

    vrsurgeon F1 World Champ
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    LOL. Expensive, can't be done.. blah blah blah. For as much as you *think* you know. Shows how you don't know **** about the topic.

    Correct what you want, say what you want.. I don't care personally.
     
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  3. INTMD8

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    Again, I said it was a massive undertaking to complete this with oem functionality and outlined the difficulties in your proposed solution. That means I know nothing of the topic?

    You continue to insist on putting "can't be done" in quotes as if actually said by anyone here.

    "Can't be done" is a phrase you made up in regards to this conversion which for some reason continually needs to be explained to you.

    So once again, difficult and expensive is not synonymous with "can't be done", it's simply difficult and expensive.

    Congrats on patting yourself on the back for proving your own delusion untrue.
     
  4. Natkingcolebasket69

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    Not so sure why so many threads tend to end up being peacocks fights and derailed from their original topic...

    Does anyone have a guess or know what type of gearbox/tranny they would use? Gear ratio? Clearly those guys seem to know their stuff but I’m wondering how they will set up a car in such a way that the car retains its original spirit and character, if that is in fact possible?


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  5. INTMD8

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    ^ Apologies sir, I dislike being repeatedly misquoted.

    The shifter and gate appear to be 430 so my first guess would be 430 trans.
     
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  6. Natkingcolebasket69

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    No need to apologize to me; sometimes I get ticked off ;) Jusr ask Shamile but in the end I know and realize he and many others know
    More than me AND Shamile is a fun guy too ;)


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  8. 360+Volt=Prius

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    I’m not hating. I do hope this actually comes to fruition. I have to say those scud conversion videos did not instill confidence in the shop. this particular video is very premature, and a bit bogus.

    I understand they are just digging up publicity but...

    Brake pedal is interesting point. If this was really currently going through a conversion why keep the stock brake pedal?

    Notice it also still has paddles. Maybe a Hermaphrodite? “Tranny” ? (not transmission the other type)

    Perhaps current car is nothing more than publicity stunt to gain interest and views.

    My bet they stuck a third pedal on, placed a console on the floor and shot a sexy video. I bet its still is a functioning DCT 458.

    I think for the video this was nothing more than a stock 458 with smoke and mirrors.


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  9. Shamile

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    Hey now! lol....we get along just fine. You keep supplying valuation data and I'll supplying Testarossa technical threads...win! win!

    Shamile

    Freeze....Miami Vice!

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  10. BJK

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    Just for reference, this is the 430 Scud EAG converted first. (430 coupes were available with manuals but never Scuds)
    https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a27205643/ferrari-430-scuderia-manual-transmission-swap-drive/

    CARBUZZ article on EAG's 458 manual. As 458's never came with a manual, it's a more difficult $$ conversion.
    Of course it will be way more fun to drive. Anyone saying otherwise has probably never rowed their own gears. Question is, will anyone convert a Speciale. F depreciation, it's just a toy. Why not?
    https://carbuzz.com/news/open-your-checkbooks-because-a-manual-ferrari-458-is-coming
     
  11. REALZEUS

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    Oh that sounds so funny to anyone who is not from North America... :rolleyes:
     
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  13. willcrook

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    love it, nothing to dislike!
     
  14. ryalex

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    I like the idea. I'll be very impressed if they can reprogram the engine management to make it work right, would seem that there have to be a lot of overrides, if not a whole new ECU(s).
     
  15. HH11

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    Early in the build, like you said they are trying to get views and attention from the car crowd.

    Highly doubt they will leave the brake pedal like that. If I'm wrong I'll buy you a six pack.
     
  16. 360+Volt=Prius

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    I agree I don’t think they would either. Point was I don’t think the “build” at the time of the video was anything more than a false pedal and a hollow shifter.

    Just seems early to be going public even with a teaser video.

    Like I said, I would love to see this one completed. -ray


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    If there wasn't a desire for owners to have one they wouldn't of built it. They have swapped multiple 430's now I'm sure they will swap 458's.
     
  18. fchatmoonkee

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    I wish they could put on leather reigns on the steering column instead of the wheel for those of us who are really old school and want to feel closer to nature
     
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  19. MalibuGuy

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    Of course with a manual shifter, it would be possible to over rev the engine. Even if they retained the safety feature of the ECU cutting tfuel to the direct injectors under acceleration. Downshifting into the wrong gear could over rev the engine.

    The DCT doesn’t allow mis shifts.

    The engine of the 458 is simply a marvelous box. The product of 40 years of progressive development dating back to the 308!
     
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  20. INTMD8

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    Done yet?
     
  21. SoftwareDrone

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    The first 50 seconds of that video are absolutely useless.
     
  22. KC360 FL

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    Big difference is the 430 came with manual option from the factory. Concerning the 458; this is uncharted territory. And it's going to take a lot of charts and wrong turns-- that may lead to nowhere. ;)
     
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  23. RayJohns

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    After owning the 355 and the 360, both with gated 6-speed manual gearboxes, I commented more than once here on Ferrarichat that I would never buy any Ferrari with an F1 transmission. However, after realizing that the F1 is really just a manual gearbox with hydraulic actuation, I ate my words and took the leap into a 458 Italia. After owning and driving that car for approximately 3 years, I really fell in love with the DCT and paddle shifting setup.

    I think the more basic / analog nature of something like an F40 or a 360 works well with a manual gearbox. But installing a manual stick shift into a 458 just sort of feels like buying a brand new iMac and then going to great lengths to get MS-DOS or CP/M to run on it. It's quaint, but I'm not sure it's going to yield a car that is more enjoyable or better to own or drive.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Either way, it's a cool project (and hats off to the people attempting it), but probably not anything I would actually want to own myself.

    Ray
     
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