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Gated manual Ferrari 'creep" function harmful?

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  1. Themaven

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    I grew up on manual cars in the 80s and 90s. Drove them all around Europe many times. Then came the 2000s and kids and big auto cars. Then, more recently, lucky enough to buy some manual Ferraris.

    even more recently, I noticed a feature in my manual 575 and 430 that, according to other forums, exists in other relatively modern manuals, but which didn't in the 80s and 90s era sports cars I had. Standing start, put it in first, let the clutch out and - without touching the gas pedal or any pedal at all - the car creeps forward at a fast walking pace. Does so indefinitely, until you run out of space or fuel.

    previous manuals would stutter and splutter and stall of course, without balancing the gas and clutch.

    This feature is most useful for slow traffic, or roads with speed bumps, or other slow urban settings on the way to nice drives.

    Someone on another forum said this feature is the ECU adjusting the engine speed so you don't stall. And that it's also bad for the clutch. I don't know enough about mechanics to know whether either of these are true. How could it be bad for the clutch if the clutch is not being touched?

    Anyone able to cast any light? Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. Rifledriver

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    I have never owned or driven any manual trans car that would not do that. If it wouldn't to me its an indication its not running well.
     
  3. dera

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    Ford Escort Mk2 1.0L with a carb doesn't have enough torque low down to roll on idle. So there is at least one that won't do that. That's the only one I can think of,.
     
  4. audi_328

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    Always thought if you let the clutch out slow and there was little load (not going up hill, etc.) that most any manual transmission car would do that.
     
  5. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    My 82 Alfa Spider will do that but I think it's just this car and nothing programmed in whatever L-Jet/ignition whatever box that is in it. It's the easiest 5 speed I have ever owned.
     
  6. krazykarguy

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    As others have stated, this is normal behavior for a manual transmission. I've puttered the 355 around and through traffic in 1st AND 2nd gear this way without any issue.
     
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  7. francisn

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    Likewise here with my 1978 308GT4. Quite happy to let the clutch out without touching the accelerator pedal a nd let it meandre along.
     
  8. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    A QV pulls away without any fuss in second gear. Not sure about the other models.
     
  9. Themaven

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    Thank you all. My GTIs would not do that, even though fuel injected, I am pretty sure, but that was another era and evidently I am a bit of a fool. Although it's nice to discover something so late in life, even if everyone else knows it already.
     
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  10. rob5819

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    I recently taught my 18 year old nephew and 15 year old niece to drive a manual in my 2003 BMW Z4. First lesson was creeping across the driveway just by releasing the clutch, with no gas. My 2025 BMW Z4 with 6MT just finished production today. A few months on the boat from Austria and I will see what has changed since 2003.
     
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  11. technom3

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    In my viper I used to do this and I think I could get over 30mph doing it in each gear.

    For some reason 40mph sticks in my head.


    It's torque. Not ecu programing.

    Also stored energy in the form of a heavy reciprocating mass such as a dual mass flywheel helps with this.

    On the carrera gt with a 5 inch clutch... And the lighter flywheel available... Yes... The ecu compensates but that's for a multitide of reasons.

    Ferraris do not adjust for the clutch out action. They just try to stay running.
     
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    #12 Dolcevita, Jul 13, 2024
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    Taught my daughter to drive a manual when she was 14 using this method. That was on my 348. Now I think about it, taught my wife the same way in my 86 V6 Fiero.
     
  13. MuschetteMech

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    I think this is pretty normal for a manual transmission.
     
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  14. Carbon Bits

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    To answer the other question, no, no additional clutch wear if the clutch is either engaged or disengaged (not held in the transition). If you think about it, it’s actually the easiest one can be on a clutch.
     
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  15. Adam Greenberg

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    This is literally how I learned to drive a stick and what the friction point was ….



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  16. Themaven

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    Well it’s slightly embarrassing to have owned 7 manual Ferraris before noticing that. I guess my defence should be that I just get in them and blast down the road
     
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  17. hardtop

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    I've done this with manuals for 55 years. However, the small flywheel in 430s makes it more difficult. The first time I got in my brand new 2005 3 pedal 430, I stalled it. Embarrassing!
     
  18. Auraraptor

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    This is a function of the engine torque + flywheel weight + clutch material/design;
    Hondas will stall out fast if your try this.
    A well running Ferrari with an OEM clutch should not, unless you did something goofy to it.
     
  19. flash32

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    My concern would be lugging the engine which is not good ..

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