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Gear oil seepage from seam between clutch housing and flywheel housing

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  1. Brian A

    Brian A F1 Rookie

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    I recently put UV dye in my gearbox oil and determined that gearbox oil is seeping from the seam between the clutch housing (part 116377) and the flywheel housing (Intermediate body, part 118687). It is a slow stable seep.

    I have never disassembled these parts (my clutch is relatively new and changed shortly before I purchased the car). How difficult would it be to disassemble these parts for the sole purpose of redoing the RTV seal between these two parts? The Parts Catalog does not show a gasket for between these two mating surfaces.

    My understanding that there are no shaft seals between the gearbox and transfer gears and gear oil can flow freely between one and the other through passageways, so the issue is just an RTV issue; not any sort of shaft seal issue. Is this correct?
     
  2. Motob

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    There are two o-rings that seal the passages between the clutch housing and gearbox. They can leak from damage or improper installation/coming out of place. The use of RTV sealant at this joint is used to help the o-rings seal, but can also cause them to slide out of place when the cover is torqued down.
    I glue the o-rings in place so they cannot move when the cover is torqued down. How bad is the leak? It is the same amount of work to access the clutch as it is to reseal the cover.
    I would do it the next time the clutch needs attention.
     
  3. johnhunt

    johnhunt Formula Junior

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    Oil can travel in amazing ways. Look for easier answers first. There are lots of oil drip locations north of those.
     
  4. jdamon

    jdamon Formula Junior

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    I used a slightly different product to seal transaxle "flange" when changing out the axle seals, its mentioned in birdmans tutorial... Curil-T specifically for gear oil, working great so far, found on amazon. I believe it was recommended to Jonathan by David Fienberg, a known longtime ferrari mech. Good luck! That gear oil makes a mess when it is leaking...
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Very unusual place for it to leak. I have seen them installed with no O rings and sloppy application of sealant and still not leak. If you are sure it is gear oil and not motor oil be prepared to replace the clutch shaft seal when it is apart.
     
  6. Brian A

    Brian A F1 Rookie

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    Good to know. Thanks.

    The oil is glowing brightly under UV light so is definitely gear oil. (As a way to confirm, I also have a minor shifter shaft seal leak and that oil was not glowing.)

    I drove the car with the UV dye in the gearbox, saw seepage, wiped down all the housings again under UV light to remove traces of leakage and drove the car again. It certainly looked like that seam, but you make a good point to triple check that it is not leaking from somewhere higher, but I don't think so. That seam IS a good place for oil to collect.

    Its within tolerances of a drippy old car. It leaks enough that I top up the gearbox at the 6 month point between annual gear oil changes.
     
  7. Vonbarron

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    I address that problem in my chronicles thread, small bolts behind the flywheel need to be torqued, end of problem. Hopefully
     
  8. Brian A

    Brian A F1 Rookie

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    I looked at your thread. Some nice clear photos. Thank you.

    I reconfirmed last night that the gear oil leakage is coming from the seam between the clutch housing and the flywheel housing. If it is extremely unusual for it to leak there, I shudder to see what the mating surfaces look like. Hopefully its just botched RTV application by the (factory trained!) tech who replaced the clutch, pilot bearing and rear main seal in 2011.

    Does gear oil flow between the main gearbox and the assembly containing the 3 drop gears? I have read it does, but there are separate fill/drain plugs for both assemblies and I would hate to have the drop gears run dry because of my leak.

    Likewise (if they interconnect), is there harm in overfilling the gearbox by, say, 1 quart using upper most plug on the drop gear housing? I am wondering if being overfull might be better than under full.

    Interestingly, the first time I changed the gear oil (2013) I was caught off guard when I opened the top plug on the main gearbox housing and had at least a half a quart of oil gush out. I thought it was a blown inner shifter shaft seal, but it has never happened again when I've refilled the system per Owner's Manual directions. The system probably was overfilled.
     
  9. Rifledriver

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    Yes and yes.
     
  10. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Due to the limited breathing capacity of the transmission they tend to leak like a sieve when over filled.

    More is not better.
     

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