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  1. Michael39GGT

    Michael39GGT Karting

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    brake switch on/off works

    clutch position travel 17.1, i switch to 1st gear 10,7 and back to 17.1

    it sucks a full battery empty in some minutes when i try to start... and voltage only 11,5 V. the starter dont get enough power. later i will check the wire at the starter. maybe corrusion. Or the brake fluid sensor ?
     
  2. flash32

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    Does engine turn or nothing at all

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  3. Michael39GGT

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  4. flash32

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    That looks like a very weak battery , bad starter or clutch is engaged in gear (which should happen with the safe triggers in you)

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  5. Michael39GGT

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    yes but battery is brand new.
    starter: the car have 48.000km..
    the clutch is bleeded three times.

    i see that issue like you...
     
  6. Qavion

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    If you charge the battery overnight, is it still 11.5 volts? Or is it 11.5 volts during cranking. Or is it 11.5 volts after cranking for several minutes?
     
  7. Michael39GGT

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    your question i will answere, when i charged the battery over night and did the meassure.
     
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    Bad connection on battery ?
    Although new maybe needs to be fully charged ?


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    Also you can lift car and rotate both rear tires at the same time and see if you can (neutral)

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    #35 Michael39GGT, May 19, 2024
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    i will do. i also think its someting about the clutch. but what can i do ? bleeding: diag tester, function start, and always open/close the bleeding screw. its right yes ? the clutch block dont lose fluid, i put the updated block in that car. by the way, in the tcu is no DTC. thanks for your helping hand guys...
     
  11. Qavion

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    Then there is something wrong with your new battery or battery connections as Dominick said... or there is something wrong with your charger... or you have a "parasitic drain". Did you have a charging issue before your gearbox issues?

    A bad siren battery shouldn’t deplete the battery overnight, especially with the charger plugged in. How is the charger attached to the car? Is it directly connected to the battery or to the terminals behind the left hand seat? Did you have your battery cutoff switch in cutoff by mistake during charging?
     
  12. Michael39GGT

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    i put the battery out and charged it in the house.. f1 transmission: i did all seals new in the actuator... some new pipe protectors and so on. the old tcu i was not able to connect by the diag tool, so i put eric his cs tcu in the car for fastshifting and most important, that i have access with my launch x431 to the tcu. before i had no problems with the car
     
  13. Michael39GGT

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    Issue found: the siren. i charged the battery, the car started once, and then not anymore. i put off the eletctric connection of the siren, the car starts better like ever before. Now i will open the siren. But a last question: why i can not change the clutch in config ? it still is on 17.11mm

    by the way the cars drives forward and backward. it seems to me that all works. the car dont have a plate number, so i can not drive in ****ing germany for a test drive. fine for this: 2000 Euro at the court then. Welcome in ****ing germany.
     
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    a last questiion: is it possible without the allignment tool the actuators finger set correct ? somebody have some data in mm what the finger needs to have ?
     
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    Don't know the answer ..but there is a data field in the data stream "Delta gearbox /actuator centering " that can shed light in where you stand

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    Yes it should be possible. I have the tool (actually two copies of the tool :). The tool allows to set it up very precisely, to a fraction of a mm. You can get the tool from Ferrari or from Hill Engineering.

    But if you don't have the tool, you should be able to get "close enough" by hand to drive the car (at least until you get the tool :). There is a detent pin, which puts the shaft and the fingers in the neutral between gear 3 and 4.When the detent pin is engaged, the middle finger should be in the middle between the two side fingers. This you can align just by looking and centering it. The angle is more difficult. I'm away and can't check it now (maybe someone else can quote more precisely), but from memory, put a flat stiff piece of something like plastic or metal which is about 3mm thick flat on the face of actuator and tighten the center bolt when the edge of one of the double finger touches the surface of that flat, to get close to the correct angle. Or use protractor - angle measuring tool to set the finger angle (copy angle from a known good actuator or maybe someone has a number handy).
     
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    And I've disassembled a few sirens and most look like yours after several years. Best to just unplug them as a preemptive measure before they cause any trouble.
     
  19. Michael39GGT

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    i have the start proble again ((( 13.1 V = starter turn the engine. 12.8V = starter dont have enough power to turn the engine. Seems to be that i have to unscrew and disassemble the starter. maybe the mangnetic starter switch, or, the carbon brushes. that with around 50tkm ... ? strange. bad contacts i will agree, but carbon brushes.... no way.
     
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    my starter i opened... contacts not lookig good. somebody knows where i can buy that magnetic switch contacts to rebuild it ? Pictures i will send tomorrow.
     
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    somebody knows where i can buy that big contact ? i found only smaler ones. The starter is good. I measured the winding. the carbon is over 1 cm, so like new. This starter is so sturdy, I think it's indestructible. very good, old quality. the big contact lost his material on side.. the contact touch the round cooper contact only around 45/50 %. Copper was removed on the right side
     
  22. Michael39GGT

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    the contacts i nicely cleaned -no difference....
     
  23. Qavion

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    What's the manufacturer part number on the starter? (not the Ferrari part number)

    I bought a F355 (Denso) starter repair kit from Repairkits UK

    https://www.repairkitsuk.com/
     
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    #49 Michael39GGT, May 26, 2024
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    the issue i found... the car's battery get a bad ground contact. just need to find the end of the BAT GND contact...

    i connected for a test a jumper cable from the bat gnd to the gnd contact behind the drivers seat - the car starts and the hydraulic pump is also working faster. you can hear this easily.

    Last but not least... the gears i can switch all up... but not down.

    3 down to 2
    5 down to 4 is impossible. it goes in neutral. selfelearn did. any reasons for this ?

    and, the clutch wear i can not set. its set automaticaly on 17.13mm
     
  25. flash32

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    Maybe pis is too tight

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