Get Out & VOTE !!! Who's done it?

Right on! The constitution we operate under now has stood up for 215 years with very few amendments since the original Bill of Rights. It wasn't perfect -- no human endeavor is -- but I think that's a pretty damn good endorsement of what they wrote. I wonder what Buttuz4eva thinks they could have done better?

 

Tom,
What makes you think Bush can do a better job managing a war than Kerry?

Bush doesn't have the same Samuel Huntingtonian outlook on the world that you do. Despite pre-war rhetoric re Al Quaeda - To him, Iraq and Afghanistan are singular, isolated events. Ari Fleisher confirmed that earlier this week, during a presentation he made at my POE the night before the election.

IMO, Bush's hardline stance with staying the course regardless of the costs/consequences is downright frightening.
Best,
John

 

ppl, votes are in, bush won. like or not, its over. this is ferrarichat, not politicschat.

 

Yah -- whatever happened to the Remax insults? I miss those.

-N

 

I wasn't led by anyone down any path. I chose to walk it on my own. I know what Bush is and I know what Kerry is. I don't like Bush's domestic agenda. That's Ok. He and his right-wing nut job cronies can't do much damage in 4 years. I do trust him in that he is predictable. We need someone who will finish what was started in Afghanistan and Iraq and send a firm message to the religious extremists that we are not to be fuc*ed with

Kerry doesn't have the stomach for what needs to be done in our foreign policy. If this were a different time, he'd be bearable. But not now. I do not trust him. Besides, he looks too much like Herman Munster to be taken seriously.

 

I see, so we get tough with religious extremists abroad while at the same time having religious extremists at home rule take over and force their political and moral agendas down our throats? That seems like a fair trade-off. I think the following article that appeared in today's New York Times makes it clear that the "right-wing nut job cronies" ARe going to do a LOT of damage to THIS country:

Some Bush Supporters Say They Anticipate a 'Revolution'
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Published: November 4, 2004


ARLINGTON, Va., Nov. 3 - Exulting in their electoral victories, President Bush's conservative supporters immediately turned to staking out mandates for an ambitious agenda of long-cherished goals, including privatizing Social Security, banning same-sex marriage, remaking the Supreme Court and overturning the court's decisions in support of abortion rights.

"Now comes the revolution," Richard Viguerie, the dean of conservative direct mail, told about a dozen fellow movement stalwarts gathered around a television here, tallying up their Senate seats in the earliest hours of the morning. "If you don't implement a conservative agenda now, when do you?"

By midday, however, fights over the spoils had already begun, as conservatives debated the electorate's verdict on the war in Iraq, the Bush administration's spending and the administration's hearty embrace of traditionalist social causes.

Conservative Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, were first in line to stake their claims, citing polls showing that a plurality of Bush supporters named "moral values" as the most important issue and arguing that a drive to ban same-sex marriage boosted turnout in Ohio.

"Make no mistake - conservative Christians and 'values voters' won this election for George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress," Mr. Viguerie wrote in a memorandum sent to other prominent conservatives. "It's crucial that the Republican leadership not forget this - as much as some will try," he said, underlining the final clause.

"Liberals, many in the media and inside the Republican Party are urging the president to 'unite' the country by discarding the allies that earned him another four years," Mr. Viguerie continued. "They're urging him to discard us conservative Catholics and Protestants, people for whom moral values are the most important issue.''

Dr. James C. Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family and an influential evangelical Protestant, said he had issued a warning to a "White House operative" who called yesterday morning to thank him for his help.

Dr. Dobson said he told the caller that many Christians believed the country "on the verge of self-destruction" as it abandoned traditional family roles. He argued that "through prayer and the involvement of millions of evangelicals, and mainline Protestants and Catholics, God has given us a reprieve."

"But I believe it is a short reprieve," he continued, adding that conservatives now had four years to pass an amendment banning same-sex marriage, to stop abortion and embryonic stem-cell research, and most of all to remake the Supreme Court. "I believe that the Bush administration now needs to be more aggressive in pursuing those values, and if they don't do it I believe they will pay a price in four years," he said.

Dr. Dobson and several other Christian conservatives said they believed the expanded Republican majority in the Senate and the defeat of the Senate Democratic leader, Tom Daschle, put them in striking distance of both amending the constitution to ban same-sex marriage and approving the appointment of enough conservative Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe v. Wade and other abortion rights cases.

"I think it is a real possibility," said Senator Sam Brownback, Republican of Kansas, a champion of social conservative causes. In the meantime, he said, he also hoped to pass other measures conservatives had campaigned for this year, including an "Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act" requiring some women seeking abortions to be offered anesthesia for their fetuses.

Austin Ruse, president of the conservative Catholic Culture of Life Foundation, suggested that if Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist steps down, Mr. Bush could begin to repay his social conservative backers by naming Justice Antonin Scalia to replace him. "We'd love to see Scalia in that spot, and I think we have earned it," Mr. Ruse said.

The strongest argument that Christian conservatives played a decisive role in the election came in Ohio, where a ballot measure to ban same-sex marriage passed by an overwhelming margin. Conservatives said the proposal increased conservative turnout and helped Mr. Bush win a narrow, pivotal victory. [end of article]

 

Political awareness and activism is not just something we pay attention to once every 4 years. We must be ever vigilent. The people discussed in the article are perfect examples of the "right wing nut jobs" I spoke of . They will TRY to force their agenda upon the rest of us. We don't have to let them.

 

And, pray tell, how do we stop them? They control the House of Representatives AND the Senate, AND they have the guy in the White House who will happily sign whatever they want into law. THEY will be putting pressure on the folks THEY got elected to do what THEY want. What leverage do WE have? None. Soon we will be living here under the kind of right-wing, radical fundamentalist religious regime that we are now fighting against in the middle-East. Different church, same scenerio. Except that YOU voted to give them the power. Thanks a bunch.

Unless some principled Democrats are going to rise to the occasion and fight this insanity, we're doomed. Unfortunately, I don't see many of them out there willing to stick out their necks and potentially suffer the fate of Tom Dachile. So they'll make some speeches and bleet like sheep, and let it all happen.

I think it's time to seriously consider moving to Australia. (I'd say Canada, but the driving season is even shorter up there than it is here in NJ.)

 

I think it's time you two seriously consider taking a chill pill..... (or go to off topics : politics and religion section )

 

Thanks Ed. I agree. This has grown way beyond what I intended.

Steve, send me a postcard from Australia.

Peace.

 

Peace to you too. If you can't tell, I was rather upset, especially when I heard Bush's "I won political capital and now I'm going to spend it" speech. I'm done, took a deep breath, time to move on.