http://www.jameslist.com/cars/marussia/other/f1-car-for-sale-541511 Discuss! No price though. I'm sure it'll be close to a million euro, and then it still needs an engine. Me think i'd rather get an early 2000s or late 90s V10 powered car. Cheaper also and allowed to run in the BossGP series .
Buying an F1 car for any reason other than parking it in your living room as a display item is pointless. They require a team to operate and an excellent driver to just move forward. The last F1 car I might consider buying for a fun track toy would be a late 70s car with a DFV engine. Just MO.
Firstly, good find, thanks for posting. +1 I'm not sure you can even buy a current Cossie - Something tells me they're leased these days. I guess you could get one (or two), but suspect the lease includes an army of boffins to get/keep it going..... For the kind of money they're (probably) looking for you could get a very nice car that's at least a little drivable and go racing. What are you gonna do with this thing? Outside of a marketing gimmick (one of the computer simulator co's?) I reckon buying it with the intention of actually running it is a fools errand. I don't think even the F1 rental companies would be interested in something this modern at any price. As for "I wouldn't pay 30 grand for it", I smiled a little; I guess because you figure it's a POS? And you'd get no argument from me! However, as I've said before, I drove another F1 POS (a Larrousse) and it was *plenty* fast.... I suspect I'd have probably turned exactly the same times in a Ferrari of similar vintage - "talent limit". Cheers, Ian
I think by the time you got this thing bought, up and running (with spares) etc, you'd be pushing the cost of the Clienti F1 Ferrari... The reason I wouldn't pay $30k for it (probably wouldn't even pay $20k) is because I have no idea what I would do with it. WAY too expensive to get running/keep running (eluded to above) and even if you do, it's a Marussia with no historic results and a horrendous paint scheme. If running properly it would obviously be "tear your head off" fast and WAY beyond my capabilities but getting there and keeping it there for a Marussia just wouldn't be worth it. The price of a weekend's worth of running in this thing would probably buy you 10 "F1 driving experiences" at some of those schools. Remember, these things ate X-trac gearboxes for lunch last year at God knows how much $$$$ a piece to replace. No thanks!
There are several companies in Europe that specialise in the upkeep of F1 cars. I'm not sure if they do so with the current V8 cars, but certainly with the V10s. When the cars are raced, certainly they don't have a whole army coming to run it. In the BossGP there are a few Arrows racing and I think a 2004 Jag, all have around 5-8 team members.
Couldn't agree more! I'm not sure it would reach Clienti prices, but I totally get what you're saying..... Clienti costs are what allows the cars to get going & be supported - Something only a crazy person would try alone with "modern" kit IMO. Cheers, Ian
Wow, scratch the DFV engine then if it's a lease. I like getting my hands dirty and love mechanical engineering and building engines. I would want to work on everything on my own. Man I love those old Cozzie motors though, brilliant and stout little lumps.
My bad - I was referring to the new ones. There's plenty of DFV's around - Or at least there used to be. IIRC, Bernie has quite the stock pile too. ["Would you buy a used engine from this man?" ] +1 Still the most successful motor ever in F1 I believe. And, given a little restriction on revs (11K?) are pretty much bulletproof. Given the limited running any "privateer" is likely to do I'd guess a solitary rebuild every year would cover it. Mate it to a Hewland 'box and off you go........ Cheers, Ian
Sometimes. The FV10 programme is cosworth engines (1999-2005 spec). The cost of a new cosworth engine is 100K GBP, and a rebuilt at full revs 10K every 1000 kms. Run a bit less revs (16500rpm instead of 18200) and rebuilt every 4 to 5K kms...big difference in money, not so much in speed. The Arrows guys in bossGP still run Hart engines and supertec's. Getting the consumables remade, if they have an intact example isn't as big a problem as some think it is. Plenty of engineering companies all over can do this, especially in the UK. For example, a crank is a crank, F1 car or not. Of course finally balanced but not impossible. Same goes for pistons etc and the top end. Going the JUDD route will of course be cheaper than the Cosworth route.
At some tracks they came dangerously close to HRT/Virgin times indeed. GP2 car will be easier to drive too. There's a 2008 GP2 car for sale for ~130k euro, and another chassis with suspension but no electrics/gearbox/engine for 30K...very attractive to buy both if you have the cash!
Yup... the Boss series are carcasses of old F1 cars gutted out and the internals replaced with whatever comes handy.
Money again is relative. If you are from the other side of town and can afford to buy it and bolt it to the wall, then sir I salute you!
With BOSS having the IRL/Indycar engines, this has to be a bit easier for those guys for sure. Also has there been an influx of 2011 spec Indy hitting the private track? They're essentially past used-by-date for competition use now aren't they?
Off-topic, but not really... check out the F3000s in the Hill Climbs on YouTube. I think it's fantastic to watch, but for sure (and I believe has) bound to end only in one way.
I saw them multiple times at Hockenheim, and IIRC everyone had Judd listed as engine manufacturer. It's of course possible that not every participant is present at every race.
bossGP in Europe has plenty of F1 cars. The IRL/Indycars also race in Europe but in a different class I believe.
Their website isn't working atm (updating I suppose as I was on it 2 days ago) and I'm 100% sure the two Arrows are with hart/supertec engines. A ferrari 412t2 comes to a meeting every now and then and also runs the original engine. I'm pretty sure the Jag has a cosworth V10, as it comes from the FV10 series. The Benetton has a Judd and I'm pretty sure the Benetton (1998?) does as well.
I don't think you could run a 412T2 with anything but the original engine. You don't even need to be on the Ferrari boards to get a lot of support for that being the best of the V12 engines. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwmvVWSvSpg[/ame]
