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Gold on Gold, Tin on Tin (not what you think)

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  1. johnk...

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    #1 johnk..., Apr 8, 2015
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    There has been a lot of talk in the past about electrical connections and the poor quality tin contact used by Ferrari, replacement with either gold or tin contacts and the electrochemical action of mixed metal contact such as gold on tin. All that aside, I was doing some wok on my 1995 F355 and disconnected some of the connectors. Interestingly, I found that things like the coolant temp sensor and the anit-evap valve, which have male tin pins have mating connectors with tin female contacts. However, the throttle position sensor, which has gold plates male pins is mated to a connector with gold plated female contacts. So, it appears that Ferrari did indeed subscribe to the "no mixed metal" doctrine. It would also suggest that Ferrari did not just use the cheapest connectors available since they apparently went to the effort to source connectors with the correct plating for the application.

    However, there is a caveat. The engine wiring harnesses were replaced, due to some form of damage, by a Ferrari dealer back in 2002. So I don't know if the metal matching was done originally or was associated with an update of the replacement wiring harness. I was wondering if anyone could take the time to check their cars. It's pretty easy to check the throttle position sensor connector but you need a dental mirror t get a look at the male pins on the TPS.

    The attached picture shows the TPS and the anti-evap connectors where you can clearly see the gold on one and tin on the other. I'm showing two different camera angles to held the visuals.
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  2. johnk...

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    Ok, talked to a friend who has an early 95 (he shall remain nameless) and his harnesses also have gold female connected for the TPS which have gold male pins. So it looks like this was the way Ferrari did it from the beginning. Additional conformations are welcome.
     
  3. fatbillybob

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    If you read the controversial threads I posted that years ago. This is old news. One day you and the 95 guy who will remain namless, will subcribe to the value of connector refreshment that we have been talking about for years. Cut back some wire from those pins and you will have an "ah ha" moment. Each will have there own solution but there is only 1 commercial kit. We know what that is so we won't mention it for fear of this thread ending up "closed."
     
  4. AceMaster

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    Thread being locked down in 3.....2.....1.....
     
  5. 355dreamer

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    #5 355dreamer, Apr 8, 2015
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    I wonder if "he who cannot be mentioned" will use the "Au wire mating packet" on his 2.7 355...

    :D
     
  6. johnk...

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    I don't see why this should lead to any argument. It is a simple observation that Ferrari from the start paid attention to matching contact type on the 355. That data point has not been presented in previous discussions. It has nothing to do with refreshing contacts. In the past it was point counter point; matching mattered vs it didn't matter. Noticing that Ferrari did this is just an indication that, to Ferrari, it does matter. I do recall that there was a claim that at some time, after the production of the 355 ceased, Ferrari went to all gold connectors. That may well be but it is apparent, from to attention to detail in matching contact metals in the 355, if Ferrari did indeed go to all gold connectors one would rightly expect that gold was used on both male and female components. With regard to the old issue of refreshing connections, it is a different matter and one in which who ever chooses to do so may choose any type of contacts they desire, match or mismatched.
     
  7. Subarubrat

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    Just another data point; my 1999 355F1 had gold pins on the TPS and a few other spots and were very obviously the originals. I mentioned this to Helms when ordering that kit and he said it was Ferrari acknowledging they had a connector problem (his words).
     
  8. AceMaster

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    You are absolutely right, but unfortunately it always does.
     
  9. vvassallo

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    I think we all did agree that no matter what material is used as a replacement, the result is better signal strength across the connector for a number of possible reasons - personally I think it the refreshing of the connectors and crimps that is primarily responsible. The argument came from whether it was due to the composition of the replacement connector pins. Not going down that road. Bottom line, doesn't hurt to redo the pins.
     
  10. johnk...

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    The point of my initial post was to point out that Ferrari paid attention to detail and where the sensors had gold pins they specified gold connectors in the harness, and where sensors had tin pins the specified tin connectors. They did not mix tin on gold. They followed the long established procedure.

    I wanted conformation of this from other owners since there was a possibility this was not original on my car since the harnesses have been replaced, and they may have been updated by Ferrari. The replies I have received, on and off the board, indicate that this was indeed how the cars were originally equipped from the start of production. If Ferrari did indeed change additional connections to gold from tin as the car evolved, because of electrical issues, or what ever other reason there may have been, it is of no concern to me as when/if they did, it appears they still insured that gold mated to gold and tin to tin.

    Refreshing connections, the need or benefit, is a separate issue.
     
  11. ernie

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    Made ya look.

    Hehehehe. :p :D
     
  12. AceMaster

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    Lol
     
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    Made ya look again.

    Hahahaha!!! :D
     
  14. AceMaster

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    Would you stop that!! :p
     
  15. tf308

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    John...a little off topic, but I found that Ferrari used the bladed JPTs in my 512tr. I was expecting to get the same connectors Ernie displayed in his 348 but it was not so. But I am not sure if the harness was ever replaced as I am the third owner. But I have tin on tin in my 512tr.

    I also found the connectors Ernie displayed in his 348 in my Bosch connectors in my Lotus Esprit. I am currently going through these and have noticed a few things that I would offer to others....

    1) Order Gold and Tin JPT connectors. If the sensor is gold, use gold. If its tin use tin. I will state again that these are like 35 cents each.
    2)Make sure you order a few in different wire guage sizes. I recall there is a 17-20 guage and a 14-17guage.
    3)if you have trouble extracting the old pins from the connectors, chief enterprises sells them. Usually they are between 2 and 4 dollars.

    I have been amazed at some of the bad connections I have seen in the Lotus.
     

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