Got thrown out of Ferrari Dealer.

Prison???? For punching someone??? I don't agree with using violence either but come on...I think there are other alternatives..Could you possibly be more dramatic?

 

How about a Turkish prison...?

 

everybody knows there is no f430 ferrari's avalible so why be the big man i want one now will pay cash i have been to the factory so really you attitude is as bad as the salesmans it was like asking him to give you $50.000 for free the priemum that these cars are doing so really the salesman was being as daft as you

 

Art..I do agree with you to a point. His temper will get him into serious trouble one day and when it does he will go to the can..he has already been in the can twice because of it..but with the salesmens attitude towards him, and his complete lack of respect for another person in general..he had it comming, and in the momment I wished he did more damage to guy, now I look back on it and agree he went over the top.

BUT ask that same sales guy if he has EVER spoken to sombody like that again..I'll garentee you that the ansewr will be no.

 

You may want to rethink that :

http://70.85.40.84/~ferrari/forum/showthread.php?t=61098

If Guday is correct, this makes a Mockery of BOTH Dealerships !!!

I told Penske/Wynn, if i want a Hat, i'll PURCHASE 1 !!!

Definitely a Black eye for Vegas. I'm very dissappointed !!!

 

Great to see Pat back in the biz! I bought my first exotic from Motorcars Int'l (Pat was the salesman) back in '01. Great experience & great guy.

 

Couldn't agree more. I too would write a letter if I were you. Let FNA know about your experience. It might not be the first complaint about this guy and almost certainly won't be the last, so hopefully he gets what he deserves if he continues to treat people like this.

 

I'm just curious, but wonder if its possible to buy direct from the Factory. Do you have to buy from a dealer? Also, I was under the impression Ferrari wanted you to use your most local dealer for service? If that is true, maybe Vegas Ferrari would only be for local residents?

 

Pat is a great guy, I had dealings with him at Motorcars-Intl.

Sorry to read about the experience at Wynns, FoH is a great place to do business with for future reference

 

Why would Steve Wynn & Roger Penske want some ***** like this representing them ? I would be horrified to learn I had some ***** mistreating people working for my Co. The employees behaviour reflects very poorly on Wynn & Penske. I would fire his Azz so fast he wouldnt know what hit him

 

Will
This is not a Dealership. This is an attraction to service a casino. Ferrari does not need more dealers. They need fewer dealers. They can only produce aprox. 4600 cars. For the time being one of their products is TOTALLY SOLD OUT FOR IT'S ENTIRE PRODUCTION RUN. No Ferrari dealership has any interest in offering 430's at msrp. to anyone but pre existing customers. If you walk into a Ferrari Dealership and ask to buy a 430 at msrp. or get on the list you are wasting their and your time.
If you want to buy a Maser, pay 300K for a used 430, buy a 612, or pay $125. per hour for service they can help you.
This attraction charges $10 per just to walk in. It will make more profit by "selling" a 430 at msrp. to a "Whale", someone who routinely dumps 1 million at the tables, than to someone who walks in, owns a 360 spyder and has visited the factory. I'm not condoning rudeness but that this lack of interest talking to someone about a 430 at msrp. doesn't surprise me.

What I really don't understand is why anyone who doesn't have an established relationship with a Ferrari Dealer wouldn't instead walk into a Lambo Dealer and buy a new G or M with no waiting for under msrp.

Want a 430 at msrp? Drop a million at Steve's and mention it to your croupier. I'm sure it will be sitting in your suite when you head upstairs.

Long Live The SLutMobile!!

 

I think the phrase keeping your hands to yourself was something we were taught in kindergarden. When someone gets past 15, violence is and should be punished in sufficient level to disuade them from doing it again. Someone with "a short fuse" is one step away from a serious incident. Hitting someonoe, and the fall, strike their head, and guess what, someone is seriusly hurt or worse. Nope, prison is appropriate for this loon, and the court failed society in this instance. Fact is that he's been in jail before for violence means that he needs a long, say 1, 2 year time out. That might cure him. Wanna bet the next time he goes off, that he gets about that?

If the salesman didn't touch him, the solution is to leave, speak with the boss, or otherwise deal with the problem. To those that condone this type of behavior, sooner or later, you'll end up on the wrong end of someone's temper and it isn't a good deal. We have bad days when we don't treat people well, however, most of us deal with it in an adult manner.

Art

 

Scott, sounds good. I think its called "trolling". Please post pics of the event, should be priceless. Make sure you really dress the part!!

 

With all due respect to you and Whart, unless the wind isn't blowing in some unknown or exact direction, the day Ferrari gets that letter, they won't care one bit!

 

As someone from Ferrari allegedly wrote in a letter posted in another thread, to get a Ferrari F430 you need to develop a relationship with a dealer. It cannot be explained more simply than that but, no matter how many times it's repeated, many refuse to accept it. Why are otherwise smart and successful so dense when it come to this luxury purchase? My theory: it's simply astonishment, and a bit of pique, that one can show up with $200k in hand and be turned away, politely or not. What the folks who complain here - remember the "430 for prior customers only" thread? - don't seem to understand is that the customers ahead of them in line have spent a far greater sum on cars and service, often over many years.

Get ... over ... it ... or develop a relationship with a dealer.

 

elliot spitzer should look into this (ha). this is very similiar to the allocation of hot ipos to existing "good" customers for the promise of continued biz and profit splits on resales.

that being said, i don't see what the controversy is about. ferrari has an endless amount of idiots that will pay msrp+++++ to have the latest and greatest (from ferrari). the dealers, via the profit motive, will continue to sell cars to people the can develop a long term relationship with and not just single sales.

play ball, buy a used one privately or take your money elsewhere. go buy a gallardo, a sl55 or a ford gt.

 

In two years here...one thing I've noticed is that these "Blowhard" types of threads are never well received.

 

Yeah.. Yeah... Just tell us... Did you get to keep the Hat??

 

Okay...pardon me for asking....but why in the heck would you try to buy a new Ferrari from a dealer that scratched your 360 and then denied responsibility?? That just seems odd to me.

 

Reading this thread again makes me want to say to these sales guys, 'What the heck makes you act like such a d*ck, when you cannot afford to buy the cars you are selling'? I know it is kind of mean to say, but seriously, it is not like they own an Enzo and have the wallet to back up acting like a tool.

(*Note...wallet size does not give you the right to act like a jerk, but a car salesman probably cannot swing $200,000 for a car.)

 

I'm not sure.......... It just seems strange to me. Why do these dealers even need sales people if they have nothing to sell? You would think a person that wants to sell cars would have an enthusiasm for the product he was selling and that would come across in their attitude. But I fequently get reminded salespeople are just salespeople by attitudes, pressure etc. at dealerships, art galleries, etc.

The owners, more then likely would like an opportunity to correct this, if given a chance.

 

Your post seems to conflict with your note. I agree with your note though, it does not give him the right to act like a jerk. However, this guy was the GM and I bet he can afford a lot of those cars in there. But with that kind of behavior, I don't see him being the GM for long. I would guess he is going to make a very quick attitude adjustment or the 'Law of the Invisible Hand' is going to hand him his walking papers...I dont' care how much crap he has to put up with, what did he expect being on the strip. He chose his profession. If he can't be respectful with questions about F430, whats he gonna do when he gets all the drunk idiots asking dumb questions. If its an isolated incident, then I believe at minimum the GM should issue an apology. If its the standard of his behavior, then he better start touching up his resume. BTW, what is the guys name? Maybe someone else has had interactions with, either good or bad...

 

That's what I've been thinking. If they sold out for the next five years long why do they need sales people?? Maybe two or three for the used ones. but that's it. Ferrari should just sell directly to the customer with such low production and pricing too (in relation to the demand).

 

That's a fair question. I had heard that despite problems with FoSF's service department, that their sales department was good to deal with and my friend encouraged me to call them to discuss getting on the 430 list, despite what had happened. So that's what I did.