https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-to-slow-down-formula-1-pitstops-from-hungarian-gp/6604159/ Check out that list of times thrown out by Red Bull. If they win the championship they will have beaten the other teams AND the FIA.
This is getting crazy. Why punish a team that have been having the fastest pitstops now for 2 years???
My thinking exactly. Merc complains about rear wings? Immediately FIA announces new rear wing tests. Merc complains about pit stops? Immediately FIA announces new Pit stop procedures. Red Bull complains about front wing flex? FIA sits there twiddling it thumbs. The list goes on and on. FIA really is trying it's hardest to win the titles for Karen F1. What a sad state of affairs. Fact of the matter is that Red Bull's pitstops have been superb for years. As early as 2017 where they doing 2.0 and under. All of a sudden now it's a problem, just because Mercedes can't match them? What a load of utter ****. All this of course will be in their list of excuses if and when they lose the title. If they win it, they and their fans will say ''despite our rivals cheating...'' and if they lose it ''because of our rivals cheating''. But yeah Mercedes, keep saying you want ''competition''.
New pit stop rules from Spielberg Red Bull mad at Mercedes Every Grand Prix a new rule. In a technical directive, the FIA requires minimum distances between the individual work steps during pit stops. Red Bull believes Mercedes is behind the new instruction. The stricter procedure costs the World Cup leaders 0.35 seconds. First the flexible rear wing. Then the tire pressures. Now the pit stop procedures. The FIA commissioners are diligently writing technical directives to make the existing rules more stringent. Red Bull sees itself as a victim in all three cases. And at least twice, World Cup opponent Mercedes is said to have run into the problem with the FIA. This is also the case with the latest clarification that came to the teams' tables three days after the French GP. The association pulls the thumbscrews on the teams during the pit stop. There are now minimum clearances for the individual work steps. At least 0.15 seconds must elapse between the signal that all four wheel nuts are properly fastened and the manual confirmation by the relevant mechanic on the impact wrench. Only then can the car be released from the jacks. From the moment the car with the newly wound wheels touches the ground to the green light, the FIA requires a minimum distance of 0.2 seconds. This means that the pit stops are at least 0.35 seconds longer for the teams that have done practically everything at the same time. Seven years of work damaged The rulers' initiative came out of the blue for some teams. There has not been a dramatic case this season in which a car with a loose wheel left the pit lane. Red Bull sporting director Helmut Marko complains: "Mercedes pushed it because they wanted to steal our advantage during pit stops. We lose up to four tenths. Seven years of work and training have gone into the consistency and speed of our pit stops." We hear from FIA circles that some teams have asked for clarification. Which teams are involved will not be revealed. Toto Wolff is tight-lipped when asked: "A few weeks ago we asked about a safety system for the pit stops. But I don't know whether that led to the technical directive." Alpine at least applauds softly. "It was high time something happened. The rules demand that humans give the order. If you analyze Red Bull's pit stops, then some processes are below the human response time," says operations manager Alan Permane. McLaren team boss Andreas Seidl is also satisfied: "We welcome the FIA initiative because safety at pit stops is very important to us. It's good that it comes now before something happens. The pit stops have become an important battlefield the teams fight hard. The way we make our pit stops, we've already exhausted everything that's allowed. So we don't have to change our processes with the new TD. " From Red Bull's point of view, these two teams are benefiting from the stricter limits. Alpine is 7th in the pit stop ranking, McLaren 8th. No more pit stop records Alfa Romeo sports director Beat Zehnder claims: "If you stick to the rule, pit stops under two seconds are not possible." Red Bull has broken the two-customer limit three times this season. In Bahrain, Max Verstappen was dispatched in 1.93 seconds, in Portimao and Baku in 1.98 seconds each. The competition saw a certain automatism in this: "At Red Bull, the cars have already been drained, the impact wrenches were still in the wheel nuts. It was all a single process, started by the sensor message after the wheel nuts had been tightened. Press the button, drain "Take off the impact wrench and drive off." Marko wonders how the FIA is going to monitor the new regulations. "It's practically impossible during the race. You would have to do it afterwards. Do you want to punish teams afterwards?" The man from Graz believes that the FIA has scored an own goal: "The safety argument is not one. We don't risk a badly dressed bike. You are out of the race. That is the maximum penalty. With this measure, we worsen the show. Two-customer stops fascinate people. In addition, the rule punishes the good guys. " https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.auto-motor-und-sport.de%2Fformel-1%2Fboxenstopp-technische-direktive-regel-spielberg-red-bull-mercedes%2F&prev=search
Mercedes queried FIA over pit stop procedures last month The FIA introduced new rules to slow down Formula 1 teams’ pit stops following a query raised by Mercedes at least three weeks ago. However Mercedes CEO Toto Wolff said he is not aware whether their enquiry prompted the revision to the rules, revealed yesterday, which will come into force for the Hungarian Grand Prix. “We enquired with the FIA on a safety mechanism which is related to a system that we are using and whether that could be optimised,” said Wolff. “That happened, I would say, three or four weeks ago and was a technology question. “Did that trigger anything else? Maybe, I don’t know, but this is the question we’ve asked.” An updated technical directive stipulates minimum reaction times for mechanics at certain phases of the pit stops and requires a 0.2 second delay between the pit stop being completed and the car being released. “It’s interesting to see because there must be a reason why that TD has come up and I’m not 100% sure,” said Wolff. “The operation of the wheel gun and the release of the car is a highly complex matter.” The revision to the rules, which will come into effect in three races’ time, has prompted controversy. Mercedes’ championship rivals Red Bull have consistently produced the quickest pit stops this season, and won last week’s French Grand Prix by manoeuvring Max Verstappen into the lead through a well-timed and rapid pit stop. Wolff said the revision to the rules targeted a potential area where safety could be improved. “Certainly all of us in the team are up for competition because it’s a competitive field but there is also the safety argument,” he said. Mercedes has performed its pit stops with an extra margin to reduce the possibility of a car being sent from its pit box with a loose wheel, said Wolff. “You will always put everything into your pit stops so you avoid the wheel just detaching or coming off because the damage is enormous. “We in the past had a policy of making sure that that wouldn’t happen and that also meant to have some circuit breakers in the system in a way that that could never happen. And that slows you down in terms of pit stops. But that was our own decision, it had nothing to do with anybody else. “A fast pit stop is nice to have and they look cool but I’m not 100% sure there’s such a huge performance differentiator because we are talking about a tenth or two on average, we are not talking about the slowest or the fastest pit stops. It will be interesting to see [what] that come from and what the basis was.” https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/25/mercedes-queried-fia-over-pit-stop-procedures-last-month/
Pitstop rule change is ‘obviously’ to slow us down – Red Bull Red Bull Formula 1 boss Christian Horner believes a new FIA technical directive to slow down pitstops is a result of rivals trying to slow his team down. From the Hungarian Grand Prix, teams will need to comply with specific instructions that state the front jack release cannot begin until all wheel guns have signalled completion and there must be at least 0.2s between the jack release and the green light being shown to the driver. The suggestion is that the quickest pitstops in F1, which are sub-2s, are not possible without an element of pre-emption and could be risking cars being released without properly attached wheels or mechanics involved in the process being put in danger. Red Bull is F1’s benchmark team in performing pitstops. It has the six quickest pitstops in the 2021 season so far and is leading the 2021 pitstop competition run by F1 partner DHL. “The technical directive is certainly very wordy and you’d almost have to question whether it’s a change of regulation,” said Horner on Friday at the Styrian Grand Prix. “But I suppose that we have been very competitive, we’ve got the world record on pitstops, we’ve had the majority of fastest stops and it’s not by accident. “I find it a little disappointing… it’s the duty of the competitor to ensure that the car is safe and the penalty for a wheel not being fixed is you have to stop the car immediately, so it’s a brutal punishment if you haven’t got all four wheels securely and safely fastened. “What the technical directive is trying to achieve, I’m not quite sure because I think there’s an awful lot of complexity to it. “Of course, when you’re in a competitive situation, if you can’t be beaten, then obviously the most logical thing is for your competitors to try and slow you down and that’s obviously what’s happening here.” Red Bull’s pitstop advantage over Mercedes is based upon having invested more in new tech pitstop equipment at a time when its cars were not as fast as those of its rival. Mercedes has fallen behind Red Bull on pitstops and has had to accept there is a limit to how much its own performance in that area can be improved until next season. Last June a technical directive was issued whereby the team’s hugely costly pitstop equipment would become homologated at the end of September until the end of 2021. Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff said that there had been “some question marks on some things” internally and said it had sought clarification from the FIA on “a safety mechanism”. He said it was submitted “three or four weeks ago” and “related to a system that we were using, and whether that could be optimised”. “It was a technology question,” Wolff said. “Did that trigger anything else? Maybe, I don’t know.” The latest TD comes after FIA intervention on a flexi-wing row – that Red Bull was also implicated in – and suggestions of potential tyre pressure manipulation. “You can see there’s an awful lot of pointed activity in our direction at the moment,” Horner said when asked by The Race if he felt Red Bull had a target on its back. “But that comes with the territory of being competitive. “An awful lot of energy is going into trying to slow the car down, which is I guess what obviously happens in a competitive business. “It’s something that we are used to, but I’m losing too much sleep about.” https://the-race.com/formula-1/pitstop-rule-change-is-obviously-to-slow-us-down-red-bull/
Frankly speaking, one of the most ridiculous rulings I've seen in a long time in F1. When was the last time that Red Bull had an unsafe release (i.e. with a wheel untightened)? The time won is made through sheer practice and the most incredible coordination between 20 people. Mercedes can't compete to seeks it banned. Red Bull (and others) have been pulling off excellent pitstops for years, and no one batted an eye. Now Mercedes has competition they seek it banned, and their little slaves at the FIA duly to the work requested by their masters. I'm stunned and disgusted at this ruling. It makes ZERO sense. Anyone still claiming there isn't a bias at the FIA needs their head checked.
Yep. Mercedes didn't complain then but since they have competition in 2021, they are pulling out all the stops I expect Mercedes to look at the legality on the Honda PU in the upcoming months.
Mclaren are very interested and have also inquired with the FIA. This is nothing new. All teams review aspects of competitive nature. Another non conspiracy. Im certain RedBull would do the same and have in many cases, inquired with the FIA. This is another non issue given ALL teams are affected just like wings issue.
I think they should go back to full speed pit lanes and no rules in performing a pit stop. But if a wheel gets lost in/after a pit stop, the team looses all points that weekend.
A standard of tools and procedures should be in place. All use the same. Then competence is the standard.
Your bias is showing. This isn't about inquiring with the FIA. This is about the FIA responding with new technical directives. And each of these technical directives is purposely made to affect one team, the only team challenging MB. Oh. And look at McLaren's average pit stop time... This new directive regarding pit stops should be the final slap in the face to anyone who still believed that the rules would be policed with impartiality. Kevin Sent from my SM-G930P using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Yep. Should be the same with the cars themselves...... Kevin Sent from my SM-G930P using FerrariChat.com mobile app
How can you not comprehend this? 1 team in particular has, through insane training and superb coordination, averaged their pitstop down to be the fastest. Their main rival (and another of their engine partners) has complained to the FIA about this and miraculously, the FIA puts in a new ruling that artificially slows the 1 team down by literally putting in a time penalty for their success? What's next? A rubber stop under Max's pedal that only allows 90% of throttle? There is no basis for safety. NONE. WHEN was the last time Red Bull had an unsafe release? They've been using this system for YEARS. You **** on red bull all the time for ''getting things banned'' but you let this slide. ****ing amazing that you once again, let this slide...because it's a ruling against Red Bull. Just like the wings...you know full well Red Bull was the target but you brush it off as "same for everyone".
Let's imagine in some strange, far off world where cars had both front and rear wings. And let's also speculate that teams chose to try to increase the movement of these wings for performance gains. One team chooses the rear wing, while the other chooses the front wing. In this far off world, the team that chose the front wing provides an immense financial interest to the ruling authority. In this imaginary world, the ruling authority chooses to crack down on the movement of ONLY the rear wing, sparing the front wing and thus sparing the ire from that powerful team. Now this is an interesting case whereby teams are all still playing by the same rules, but bias has been displayed. See how that is possible? But of course, that is an imaginary example, for the sake of the example. Kevin
Seems awfully far fetched, Kevin. I mean surely (in this far fetched world), a sense of impartiality would exist?
