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Grinding sound when moving, worse taking lefts

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  1. mondialfan

    mondialfan Karting

    Jan 1, 2007
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    Never heard any grinding at all while driving until today. After warming up, backed up out of the driveway and it started as soon as I started moving. Went a few hundred feet, turned around and drove back home. It is fairly loud going straight, goes away when taking rights, and gets worse taking lefts. Sounds like a stuck caliper, I do use the handbrake while in the garage.

    Any ideas? I'd like to try my hand at fixing it myself.

    1989 Mondial T Coupe
     
  2. sammyb

    sammyb Formula 3

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    The first thing you need to do is get someone to isolate where the sound is coming from. It sounds like you just need to get someone to move the car while you stand alongside walking. You want to get as good as indicator if it is front vs. rear, right vs. left, and outboard vs inboard.

    There are many different parts that can create a grinding noise (some more expensive than others!) Hope for something on the front wheels, rather than back. The expensive stuff is in the rear ;).

    Maybe you'll get lucky -- my wife was driving the Toyota a couple weeks ago for two blocks then brought it back home saying it was making a horrible grinding noise. Turns out that she had simply picked up a branch and dragged it under the car.
     
  3. maurice70

    maurice70 F1 Rookie

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    Wheel bearings?
     
  4. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Chock the front wheels and jack the rear of the car up and place on chassis stands mate. Start the car and put in gear and release the clutch. Drive the car on stands (like Ferris Beulers Day Off) and see if there is a noise in the rear wheels/drivetrain. :):)

    If not, then you know its in the front area. Same crap, jack it up and spin the wheels and listen for the noise. :):)

    Sounds like metal on metal, worn brake pads to me. ;);)
     
  5. mondialfan

    mondialfan Karting

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    Had my wife drive while I fast-walked alongside. It is definitely coming from the right rear wheel. It's more of a clicking sound than grinding, faster you go, faster it clicks.
    That wheel bearing was replaced about 500 miles ago though. Nothing caught in there, like I mentioned it was fine the last time I drove it and just parked it for a week before driving again, then the clicking was immediate.

    When the car was stationary in between my wife driving it, I grabbed hold of the tire with both hands and shook it in and out, I did get it to do the same clicking sound once even though the car wasn't moving. The lug nuts are tight. Could the bearing have gone so quickly?
     
  6. mondialfan

    mondialfan Karting

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    Following up, when I parked her about 10 minutes ago I tried to shake the tire/wheel again and no clicking sound. Just went and tried again and it did click.
     
  7. mondialfan

    mondialfan Karting

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    OK, this just gets getting weirder. Jacked up the right side and took off the right rear wheel. The lugs were not as tight as I would like but nothing major. Placed the wheel back on tight. Test drive, same clicking.

    Jacked it up again, this time took it out of gear with no handbrake and spun the wheel as fast as I could. No clicking.

    The sound is almost like an out of control solenoid but only when moving and can get some flutters of higher ''sputtering'' even when moving slowly.

    Could it be the electronic shocks and I'm just thinking the noise is coming from the wheel? This is the T.
     
  8. GrigioGuy

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    If it's the wheel bearing, wouldn't the load be very different when sitting on the ground vs. on a jack stand?
     
  9. thecarreaper

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    outboard RH cv axle joint may be bad.
     
  10. robbie

    robbie F1 Rookie

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    I suspect a CV joint. A bad wheel bearing will make some noise even when unloaded.
     
  11. mondialfan

    mondialfan Karting

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    Took a closer look at the cv joints. There is one boot that covers the inboard cv joint then goes down the length of the drive shaft and covers the outboard cv joint. Surprised that was all one piece instead of 2 separate cv joint boots. The part that covers the outboard cv joint (that was replaced 500 miles ago) doesn't seem to be torn or leaking. The part that covers the inner cv joint didn't have a rip I could see but was wet with grease on the outside.

    Smoking gun?

    I'm moderately mechanical and want to try it but is this straightforward or best left to Tim Stanford.
     
  12. sammyb

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    You're going to have to get it on a lift or jackstands and work your way inboard to isolate the noise. CV, bearing are all possibilities. Bearings can go bad quickly if they aren't installed correctly.
     
  13. mondialfan

    mondialfan Karting

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    Just an FYI in case somebody else experiences the same thing, called Mike at Cavallino Automobili in Ocala yesterday. He's the one who did my major earlier this year and a good guy. I described to him over the phone what was happening and my observations so far. He said he thought it could be a brake pad catching. So I did what he told me, drive it for a few miles while riding the brake at intervals to see if the noise would go away. I did and also stabbed the brakes a few times once things started warming up. It was pretty loud at the beginning but did start to get lower and then finally after about 2 miles the noise completely went away.

    So it was the brake pad after all and an easy self-healing fix. I am very happy at this point. So if you hear a similar noise, may want to look a stuck brake pad instead of something more $$$$$.
     
  14. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    There ya go, I was half right! :p:p

    Looks like you had something lodged between the brake pad and rotor. I have seen tiny little rocks/pebbles embedded in the brake pad and they make noise, till they eventually get flung out or get chewed up. Could be what happened here mate? :):)

    Great to hear its fixed. :):)
     
  15. ClydeM

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    My left rear brake pad did something similiar.
    But the end culprit was the caliper not releasing completly on the inside.
    (E-brake applied or not didn't matter)
    A rebuilt caliper solved the problem.
     

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