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GT2RS crashes into Pagani Huyara during HPDE at Monza… video…

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  1. FerrariCognoscenti

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    Looks like the GT2RS lost his brakes? Thoughts?




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  3. saadxj220

    saadxj220 Karting

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    Never seen the full video. Thanks for that.
    His braking line was all wrong so losing his brakes makes sense.
     
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    I would think if that was the case he'd have had time to go to the left side and take the runoff.
     
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    Looks like he was going for a gap that was not there anymore.
     
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    Coming in far too hot, definitely makes you wonder if there was a braking problem. A normal driver would have killed much more speed entering a turn with a car in front (and visible).
     
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  8. zygomatic

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    #6 zygomatic, Dec 20, 2021
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    I think the GT2 driver didn't expect the Zonda to be as slow through the corner as he was. The Zonda, in turn, likely didn't expect whatever that green car was (looks like a GT3) to "park it on the apex" quite like he did.

    I'm guessing the GT2 driver was a little surprised that the Zonda was as slow as he was, and so either expected the car to take a wider line through the turn or thought he could slide up the inside. Which, in that series of turns, is not a great plan.

    Either way, it was exceedingly poor driving by the GT2, and exactly why most clubs restrict passing in turns for nearly all run groups.
     
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  9. fatbillybob

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    I'd like to see about 5 seconds before the crash on the straight. That would be telling. We can only guess from keyboards.

    Once a driver gets out of the car the flagger should red flag the session. You never get out of the car unless it is on fire.
     
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  10. Borrow’d Mine

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    Agree.


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  11. DreamCarrera

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    +1

    I think another possible explanation is that the Porsche driver was perhaps inexperienced in this car and didn't realize just how much speed he was carrying into that corner until it was too late. He then couldn't get the car slowed enough to stay behind the Pagani. The GT2 RS is ridiculously fast and you can quickly find yourself going much faster (under heavy throttle) than you think! If this is the case, it's a shame he didn't cut to the outside instead and use the runoff area...it's easy to make poor split second decisions under sudden extreme pressure. Whatever the cause, I feel very badly for both drivers.

    I think brake failure/fade in this case is highly unlikely given the car.
     
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  13. F2003-GA

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    Was the GT2 perhaps rented ? He came in too hot, crashes, gets out of the car and drops to his knees to weep ...?
     
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  15. DeSoto

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    #12 DeSoto, Dec 21, 2021
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    The dude looks pissed of frightened, I wouldn´t discard brake failure. I think he was not going to make the corner anyway.

    The guy of the Pagani even didn´t bother to check the damage. Although the door should not have opened like that.
     
  16. Borrow’d Mine

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    Pissed or frightened, either way poor and dangerous judgement to get out of the car (at a very dangerous place on track), bury your poor dumb hands in your head while traffic goes by. Maybe he also skipped the driver/safety meeting.


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  17. MoreGarages413

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    Based on his actions after he got out of the car, leaving himself in harms way. I would say full on driver error and lack of judgment caused this accident


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    This happened back in 2019 early.....it was all over Rennlist and I think someone was there and new what the story was. Either way is sucks but no one was hurt which is what matters.
     
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    What's the over/under on the combined repair estimate?
     
  20. Boy Wonder

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    when the video starts, the GT was in a slide, you would never have made the turn ,in any event,,prob had the front locked up,
     
  21. exoticcardreamer

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    Out lap…. Pagani being driven by its test driver
     
  22. FerrariCognoscenti

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    It would have been a bad day for the Pagani test driver and the future of his career if this was not caught on video to show he had zero fault.


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    Did anybody ever tell these dimwits you are to stay in the car until the safety crew arrives? Certainly not the brightest bulbs on the tree.
     
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    One thing is for sure..The porsche is only worth the tax paid on the Pagani!
     
  25. exoticcardreamer

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    He's not a rookie and a well established race car driver... These are track day things. Incidents/crashes happen quite frequently.
     
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  26. FerrariCognoscenti

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    Here in the US such incidents are rare on track.


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    Actually they are not rare .

    I do 25 track days per year in USA
     
  28. Ingenere

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    I've been instructing for 30 years and ALWAYS the absolute worst guys were the 911 turbo guys with little experience and big egos. I would bet that this is a case of a big wallet, 700hp, no experience and a massive ego. The Huyara guy took it pretty well, but NOBODY should be out of their cars.
     
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