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GTC Lusso- FF Pano Roof Question

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  1. NeilF8888

    NeilF8888 Formula 3

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    I am trying to decide whether to order the Pano Roof on my GTC Lusso. I like the look from the outside and enjoyed the feeling inside when I sat in an FF at my dealer. I live in Miami Beach and am worried about the constant sun and heat. Does it radiate heat and a lot of sunlight through the dark tint? I find it more comfortable to slide the sunroof interior shade closed on my Quattroporte when its really sunny here, but I think the Ferrari Pano Roof has a deeper tint. I park my car indoors at home but am out and about during the day and the Lusso will be a daily driver replacing the Quattroporte GTS.

    I would greatly appreciate anyone living in a similar climate condition who has the Pano Roof on a FF giving me some advice.
     
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  2. leopoldo

    leopoldo Formula Junior

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    Hi, you will have no problem with the roof.. the question is... are you sure it looks nice ? I have ordered last week my gtc4 but with th dealer we have seen that with the cristal roof the proportions of the car looks not so good than without it. Let' s take a think!
     
  3. Brian L

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    Neil it's dark, but there is heat. It's hard to say what you will prefer. During the day parking outside it can add some heat but not a lot compared to the metal and engine. White car. In a darker car the metal itself, and the engine which is hot, are both hotter than the roof IMO. So I find the pano to be totally worth the heat that passes midday. It's a couple of hours a day. A great experience for passengers, really changes the car. If you park in Miami every day, I don't know. Could be hot, but isn't everything hot anyway?

    I think it's something you need to demo for yourself. Ask your dealer to ask another dealer with a FF to let you sit in the sun? Or be sneaky worst case, and go to a non Fcar dealer in your area to test a FF pano only.
     
  4. ttforcefed

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    I have the pano on my 612 but not on the FF. I cant say that living with both cars there hasn't been a noticeable difference when driving the car, it doesn't change the experience materially. If you plan on leaving the car outside a lot I wld avoid the roof.
     
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  5. NeilF8888

    NeilF8888 Formula 3

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    When the car is left inside and then driven do you find the sun bothers you because it is shining into the car even though tinted? I am trying to locate a used FF to try the Pano Roof experience but not that common. My dealer only has one with delivery miles and doesn't want it driven. They are going to call if they have a used one which they will let me borrow for the day.
     
  6. ttforcefed

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    no not really - to me the pano roof doesn't make much of a difference in the driving experience. I usually keep mine on the darkest setting. on the FF and the lusso my opinion is the roof is too long and the glass looks awkward. on the 612 it's more of a normal roof length and its part of the OTO package.
     
  7. Brian L

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    You don't need to drive it, just sit in the parking lot on a hot day.

    When driving you can't tell the difference, the glass blocks a lot of light/heat and your head is barely in the exposed area.


    The difference is for the passengers, day, night, weather, all there (something others don't care about and you have to judge for yourself) and the look based on color and lines. It makes a white car. Other colors not so much.
     
  8. uhn2000

    uhn2000 Formula 3

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    Agreed I dont have it on my FF, my buddy does and I barely notice when infront seat.

    Sent from my HTC One M9 using Tapatalk
     
  9. ttforcefed

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    I'm not a big fan of 2 tone cars so I personally did it on a black car - you can probably get away with it on a dark blue. with a lighter color it will look like a 2 tone car fwiw.
     
  10. Brian L

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    #10 Brian L, Apr 16, 2016
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    Every car with black plastic is "two toned", except all black is mostly one tone.

    Black on black cars are cool, but they don't show off the lines as well on some models. Taste, again, is not one toned. He can "get away" with many options.
     
  11. NeilF8888

    NeilF8888 Formula 3

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    Is the darkness on the FF and Lusso Pano Roof also adjustable? Can you change the settings?
     
  12. ttforcefed

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    I'm not sure, sorry.
     
  13. NeilF8888

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    Anyone know?
     
  14. Entropy

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    No. They are fixed tint, not electrochromic.

    FWIW, an opinion....to us, the pano roof simply makes the inside of the car much lighter/brighter. It's essentially impossible to "look up" unless the seat is all the way back, though it can be nice for the rear seat passengers.

    Our FF's have had light (Cuoio) upper cabin/headliners, so perhaps a darker interior would be enhanced by light.

    We have had glass roofs (fixed and open-able) on many of our cars, I cannot recall ever opening them or even leaving the shade open. We also simply decided not to drop the $ on something we didn't appreciate, and I still prefer metal over my head in a car.
     
  15. ttforcefed

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    on my 612 I have a creama interior which is very light and as I said I always leave the roof on the darkest setting. I agree with all of entropys comments
     
  16. Brian L

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    Skipping the look, it's 100% for passengers, and they love it. How much that matters to you ... ?
     
  17. FFantastic

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    Ice driving in Austria in below freezing temperatures the roof glass misted up and became wet to touch. So chose not to have it on the FF. Had it opened and had an internal blind I would have definitely had it fitted.

    In reality I have done 13,000 miles in the first 12 months and only 200 or so with anyone in the back and even then is was night time plus agree you would not know you had a pano roof from the front seats. Plus I too prefer the cosyness of a leather headliner.
     
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  18. NeilF8888

    NeilF8888 Formula 3

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    I am ordering the Lusso in Silverstone Grey with Couio and Nero two tone interior. I will use the analine Couio if possible and will pass on the Pano Roof after reading the comments and opt for the Couio alcantara roof. I probably have rear passengers almost never and think the exterior lines may be compromised by the huge black glass.
     
  19. otakki

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    Does it creak or squeak? Does it need to be bolted down every few years or so?

    I wonder if it uses that ceramic tint technology found in many high-end tinting films nowadays. I have heard that ceramic tinting is very effective in blocking heat.

    +1
    Also don't prefer all that glass on top of my head contributing to an elevated center of gravity for the car.
     
  20. eric

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    That's funny. In a 2+ ton car with over 700hp and awd for all civilized speeds, the center of gravity being altered by a delta of maybe 20lbs is sort of silly.(just another worthless opinion) and no, it does not creak or squeak. Its as if it were, and is, a monolithic part of the car. Mass and center of same be damned: the car will be a beast none will ever be able to touch.

    And for the record, I love the pano roof on the FF. Never had an issue with heat in SoCal or Florida, or Arizona or Texas sun: places we've spent time day and night outside with the FF. to our minds the tinting is perfect. We worried coming from an OTO 612 with the variable tint glass that we'd be unhappy, but find it to be totally not an issue.

    The added headroom is a big plus for me, so that alone makes it a win. I also like the light airy feeling in the drivers area it gives. Never felt like sun was bothering me coming from above.

    Aesthetically, I find the lines of the FF to be enhanced by the lack of the visual mass of the metallic painted color roof. To me, it extends the glass line that already exists with the windshield and rear glass. It creates a visual break in the side view of the car, excluding that mass of roofline. It adds a seamless connection to the front and rear faces, and minimizes the side view of the mass of the overall car by creating a black space where otherwise there is color. for me, it works best in any contrasting color: we love it in our Rubino.

    To the original poster: do what makes you feel works best, then drive the heck out of the car. Sure its a spendy option (as is alcantara), but on a car worth 400K, its a drop in the bucket when you figure the depreciation as you drive with a shirt-eating grind out the door and down the long road. No mater how old or young you are, you're not going to get many chances to repeat this experience, so make it what you want, not what I like or other like. None of us are buying your car, or likely will ever see it, so it ought to best suit you, not us.
     
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  21. ttforcefed

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    sounds like a good way to go - 22k miles over 4 years and I hardly ever have anyone in the rear seats
     
  22. otakki

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    I am quite certain it would not be only that, unless it is made with polycarbonate. Once, I had to pick up a side window door glass for a 2-doors car. I was surprised at how heavy it was. Based on the size of the pano on the FF, I wouldn't be surprised if the difference in weight surpassed 200+ lbs. Of course, FF/GTC4 is meant to be a GT for which pulling G's is not its main purpose.
     
  23. Brian L

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    A "good way to go" if you never share the car experience with family or friends.

    Begs the question ... why not own another car like an F12 that's more fun at the track.

    Not a track car by design, not an issue for daily driving.
     
  24. ttforcefed

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    my family and friends don't ride in car with their heads up
     
  25. Brian L

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    Well you just said "22k miles over 4 years and I hardly ever have anyone in the rear seats"

    So are they not enjoying the view, or are they not there?
     

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