GTO and CCM2 2nd Generation Ceramics

Anybody track their GTO and have any information on how well the CCM2 brakes on your car are wearing? Your cars are the first application for the new brakes. The next application is the 458 Challenge. Was wondering if the pads and rotors were lasting longer since Mov'It now has ceramic rotors and pads that last way longer than the original CCMs.

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Terry phillips

 

Bryan- Thanks, will review. I read the thread originally and do not remember anything about wear.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Bryan, Carlo- Thanks, just what I was trying to find. My main curiosity is because my car is fitted with Mov'It CER ceramics and they have proven to last much longer than the first generation CCMs on the track. It now appears they probably last longer than the CCM2s, as well, so my outrageous investment is justified, even if I have no intention of tracking my car.

Incidentally, Pagid also produces the pads for Mov'It, to their proprietary compounds and specifications, and the pads are not available directly from Pagid. So no surprise the CCM2 pads are made by Pagid, as noted in the threads you highlighted.

Here are some photos of the Mov'Its. Sounds like them making replacement rotors and pads for GTOs and 458 Challenges might be a good idea, too.

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Jacques- Here are some more details on the Mov'It brakes and their toughness. The difference between CERS and CCM is the CERs are solid carbon silicon carbide and the CCMs have a carbon silicon carbide core with a braking medium bonded to the core. I was hoping the CCM2s might have the same solid rotor surface, but it now appears they do not. The CERs generate at least as good braking force as the CCMs and are unaffected by heating cycles. Here are the details from someone who has been running them on a Porsche and note there was no measurable CER rotor wear during testing. Not the case with the CCMs or CCM2 rotors based on those GTO photos.

The HGTC was fitted with Pirelli Corsa tires, a DOT legal competition tire similar to Michelin Sport Cups. As you know, the HGTC also had large CCM brakes, 398 mm front, like those on the Scuderia/16M and, I think, the 599. Stickier tires will wear brakes faster.


Movit CER brake pad & rotor wear data

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I am collecting wear data on Movit CER (carbon ceramic) brakes for the Manufacturer (Movit). Here's an excerpt I thought may be of interest on this thread:

"I finally had to change the first set of front Sport pads on the CER rotors. Here’s the data:

New pad thickness = 10mm

Use = 19 track days; 2644.8 miles
(Texas World Speedway, 2.9 miles, average = 4x 24-minute track sessions per day, 12 laps per session, 139.2 miles per day)

Thickness remaining on worn Sport pads:
Rear
Right Rear Inner = 7-8mm*
Right Rear Outer = 8-8.5mm*
Left Rear Inner = 8mm
Left Rear Outer = 8-9mm*

Front
Right Front Inner = 5-6mm*
Right Front Outer = 5-6mm*
Left Front Inner = 5-6mm*
Left Front Outer = 6-7mm*

*pads were tapered at leading edge

No measurable wear on rotors.
I replaced the front pads. I anticipate another 2500 miles of track use from the rear pads. Front Sport pad wear has been significantly better than PCCB pad, which averaged 6 track days per set "

CER rotors are 350mm x 34mm front; 350mm x 28mm rear. Car is 3500 pounds (Porsche 996 Turbo, full wet w/driver). CER rotors are made from same carbon-ceramic material as Ferrari and Porsche PCCB rotors; Panox from Carbon SGL in Germany. But the construction method is different; hence the better wear characteristics.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

M- Was that the pads or the rotors? Not too bad for Spa, which is a really high speed course with heavy braking for low speed corners.

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Terry Phillips