GTO Clarification Thread

With the policeman,3607GT.

 

3607GT. Both the same car. Says in the Barchetta link it was never paid for after the 1990 Monaco auction.

Barchetta.cc info:http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.ferraris/detail/3607gt.250gto.htm

Brochure for the sale: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/sothebys-ferrari-250-gto-auction-132426295

 

Here's another GTO list that includes c/n 3673SA as a 330LM Berlinetta, and listing it as the Nurburgring car. Use the Google bar to translate from Spanish.

http://www.rubendariux.com/2012/03/16/ferrari-250-gto/

 

It's incorrect.

Best,
Dave

 

Can you prove it? Best wishes, Kare

 

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-8BJT5-k1kMC&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=ferrari+3673sa&source=bl&ots=illtt2-kio&sig=iZtrZgFk5Z-AdsRNhcR0hcR6o_U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2pwOULeqMYLU0QXBgoDICw&ved=0CEgQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=ferrari%203673sa&f=false

The above is interesting. Jack Sears said there was no difference in speed between the 250 and 330 cars. It says something like the 330 LMBs were the heaviest cars in the race with their heavier windows for road use and partly steel bodies. Did the similarly styled 250 GTO c/n 4713GT have a part steel body too? Also, one of the cars was used with 4 triple choke Webers.

 

I was hoping someone could verify if this is real or not. I saw it this weekend at the Ferrari Challenge at Lime Rock Park. The general consensus seemed to be that it was either fake or one of the ones with the 4.0 liter engine. I spent a few hours researching on barchetta.cc and some other websites, but couldn't really tell.

It had some badges on the left side of the dashboard, one read 1965 Bridgehampton Double 500 and the other Lime Rock Grand Prix.

Thanks for any help in advance.
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Fake. Look here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376331

 

Thanks. Sorry for the repost

 

THanks El Wayne

 

Thanks for the info

 

Here is Alain de Cadenet talking about the 250 GTO in his Victory by Design Ferrari video.

http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/m/video/23037328/victory-by-design-ferrari-gto.htm#

 

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4725 SA 330 LM Berlinetta looks like a competition 250 GTL

 

...as do the other 3 330 LM Berlinettas, 4381 SA, 4453 SA, 4619 SA and 250 GTO 4713 GT.

 

Thanks for the post El Wayne.

Ferrari Model production totals are always controversial and cause many a disagreement.
The original production model (3223 GT) was officially named Ferrari 250 GT Comp/62, with the Press naming the Car “Gran Turismo Omologato” on February 24, 1962.

I agree with your totals of 33# ’62-’63 / 3# ’64 Series 2 Models and the production total of 39 Cars which is sometimes given, arises when the two/three prototypes are added to the total.

“1” Prototipo 2643 GT – Chassis Tipo 250 Comp/61 (Ex 250 GT SWB Berlinetta Competizione).

“2” Prototipo 2643 GT was later re-bodied by Pinin Farina, fitted with a Tipo 168/61 engine and called a “Sperimentale”. With its Testa Rossa engine producing 300 BHP, it raced for 13 hours at Le Mans in June 1961.

“3” Prototipo 2053 GT (Ex 250 GT SWB Berlinetta Competizione). Originally bodied in-house by Ferrari (Design by Gestione Sportiva) and later re-bodied by Scaglietti.

I think that Ferrari Model production figures should always have two totals: - One for all the original Production Cars and a second total higher total, which includes all the Prototypes / Re-bodied / Re-stamped versions.

 

C/N 2053GT was rebodied by Drogo. http://www.coachbuild.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=50&g2_itemId=1261

 

2643 (with no suffix) was originally bodied by Pininfarina as a berlinetta "le mans" competizione; it was not rebodied from something else. In fact I am not aware of a single Ferrari ever having been rebodied by Pininfarina; they worked on brand new chassis frames only. I also find it very confusing to call a 168/61 (actually 168/61C, I would presume) engine a "Testa Rossa engine".

As far as I know there is no proof that the GTO prototype would have been built using chassis 2053GT. That is just a guess, I think - and I hate guesses as time seems to convert them into assumptions and little by little they blend into "facts".

What comes to production figures I think it would be wise to determine WHAT is being counted in the first place. Then there, in most cases, should be a single number that can be determined.

Best wishes, Kare

 

"In fact I am not aware of a single Ferrari ever having been rebodied by Pininfarina"

Battista's 2207SA (400 SA) comes to mind but that was more of a rolling design lab. The final version Superfast IV served as the basis for every subsequent Coupé Aerodynamico (let's forget that Superfast II and III ever existed).

 

Thanks mirasv for the information.

2053 GT was originally delivered on August 2, 1960, to Casimiro Toselli in Italy and traded in at the Ferrari Factory during August 1961.

It was later sold to the Ecurie Francorchanps Belgium Racing team in 1962.

After the May 1962 Neurburgring 1000 Km race, is was re-built and re-bodied by Pierre Drongo.


http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/2053GT.250GT.htm




Thanks kare for the corrected information.

As i said before information on old Ferrari’s can be very misleading.

In the above barchetta.cc link it states 2053 GT “Used as study for GTO”.

 

Sort of shows how rare it is for me to look at anything built before or after 1948-1964

 

Was P4/5 based on an Enzo that Jim had bought new, used it and then did all the modifications or were the modifications made to an unused Enzo?

 

Wich number was the Breadvan? 3445? Does it no longer exist in the van shape?