GTO vs HGTE Suspension and Steering?

I can't say much in comparison….but I'd say the 599 HGTE is awesome! Its a car worth driving!! A GTO will be a collectors car. I wouldn't drive it as much. If you want to drive, and I expect you do, the HGTE is the better all around value. Half the price…80% or more of the car.

 

Totally disagree. I owned both at the same time. HGTE gone … GTO still in the stable and there to stay (since 2010). The GTO is a completely different car. Can't compare it to the HGTE. The GTO is the street version of the XX and shares most of it's DNA with the 599XX. … 80% or more of the car … that's incorrect in my opinion.

While the HGTE is a great car … the GTO is so much more and very drivable. In fact, as easy to drive every day as the HGTE but an animal when you start pushing it. I have 18,000 km on the clock in the GTO and always look for a reason to drive it. Agree it will be a collectors car but that shouldn't stop anybody from driving it as much as you can.

 

I think the fundamental philosophy on the cars are different so the electronics would reflect this.

Ferrari 599 GTO -- Dynamics and human-machine interface - YouTube

 

My purely seat of the pants impressions echo M-Individual's. However, for just putting around the two cars felt pretty similar. Once you get going they differences become more and more apparent.

I think the GTO brings the package in the direction of a harder core sports car whereas the GTB is more to the GT side and the HGTE is still firmly in the GT camp.

I say get whatever makes sense for you- they are all wonderful cars. Just don't mistake the GTO as simply a body kit and more power.

 

Great link!

 

Great posts. We all know that the GTO is a completedly different car from the HGTE. However, does anyone know the actual answers to the OP's technical questions? Would be great to learn.

 

Very interesting thread,

I owning a HGTE and have a friend saling in his office a GTO recently I've not drive it yet but i have made some research based on spare parts documentation , very few data available.

Things I think knowing:

Intake fully different with plemum and inlet pipe shorter to have more high rev. more power looks to be acheive mainly by new cams with different diagramms and DLC treatment.

Also lot of small thing like news pistons with higher compression ratio, new sleeve with anti friction treatment (not sure ) but sure sleeve is different, crankshaft same but finely balance, exhaust line with one cat based on the XX (no cat). This make max power from 7600 to 8400 rpm and may be more than 40hp as 620hp on regular 599 not sure... ECU same but prog different.

No idea for the geometric chassis adjustment, brake and suspension control small evolution but rims easy to know the difference:

front 9.5*20 ET 38.1 GTO 285/30/20 8.5*20 ET 40 HGTE 245/35/20
Reae 11.5*20 ET 63.8 GTO 315/35/20 11*20 ET 64 HGTE 305/35/20

and weight difference based on option chassis same as 599 glace thiner and internal equipment lighter, carbon bumper...

some other few thing, but if somebody knows GTO even for HGTE geometry data very interesting to know as i suspect it's the most important data to knows to make our car more accurate on track

 

one huge difference between u.s and row gtos is the racing seat, row gets scud seats which are much harder than the u.s. normal 599 seats. i sat in both and couldnt believe how racy and solid the scud seat felt in the row gto. the seats alone contribute 70% of the special sensation from 599 to gto.

 

I agree. The seats communicate how the rear of the car is behaving- and that counts for a lot more than many people actually think.

I would definitely prefer to have the GTO with the racing seats.

 

360- You need to talk to a dealer and see if he will show you the differences in his MODIS system. Most of us do not have parts catalogs for the late Ferraris or access to workshop manuals that show spring rates, anti-roll bar diameters, etc. Most of them will not know whether specific ECUs, like the steering ECU, are plug and play on the standard 599, but you can ask. We just had to bite the bullet and try on the 550/575M FHP steering ECU, which also worked on the 456M, but not the 456.

You can dig up some of the facts by yourself looking at owners manuals and sales brochures for the GTO on ferraridatabase.com. The sales brochure says steering angle has been reduced by 15%, which means an new rack compared to the 599, and 20% quicker response, a combination of the hydraulic steering ECU and the new rack.

 

I am guessing the alignment and maybe chassis rake are different in addition to wheels, tires and wider front track. As you may know, these variables cause a big difference in feel. Dealer should be able to tell you.