GTR What?

Thats pretty good 2 seconds, but lets not forget the zr1 is more exspensive by alot, and the gtr beat both the turbo and the z06 around the track by 6 seconds.

 

I'd still take the Z06 over a GTR regardless of ring times, if they are even true. I heard they were done with the GTR on racing tires with a different tune then will be in the production car. The ZR1 is already faster by 2 seconds with an engineer driving, throw Ron Fellows or Jan Magnussen in there and the gap will grow.

 

Not calling you a lier at all, but i herd that when it comes to handleing and agility theres nothing close, i give props to the vette and even more to the zr1, but as i said the zr1 retail is 103 while the gtr is 80, im just saying the gtr alone is monster but with just a boost controller and tune, crazy. both grt and vette are amazing. ohh and im not being bias becuase i own some skylines lol.

 

Well they are two different types of cars. You can stick a supercharger on a Z06 and create a monster. and still have a couple of bucks left over than if you bought a GTR. Im biased toward the vette because it's not as complex as the GTR and it's rear drive which i prefer. Apples and oranges. To each thier own. Both badass cars

 

HUH???

 

You own skyline(S)? How is that? Your from NJ and that means you need to pay a major importing cost along with the price of the car, due to the fact the Skyline is not an easy to come by car in the US. And judging by your spelling and your username I doubt your even out of highschool. I could be wrong.

What Skyline(s) do you own?

 

They're all on Gran Turismo on Playstation

 

You assume that the general public is buying them for $69k

With the $25k premium most dealers are demanding, the GTR is around $95k... and the ZR1 is $105k.

And, I've STILL not found many Nissan dealers selling at MSRP but I've found a few Chevy dealers who are willing to slot orders at MSRP for the ZR1. (Assuming they get them)

 

I don't think it has been proven that Nissan has ever really run a US spec totally bonestock GTR in any test. It seems that they have a tendancy to cheat, and I think that a production US-spec car will be quite a bit slower then all the magazine bench racing going on. GM pretty much said this by going to great lengths to claim that the ZR1 test was a US production model, with stock ride height, stock tires, etc, etc. Nissan is really trying to market the crap out of this car and it seems to me they are pulling all the stops out and cheating like Elliot Spitzer on his wife.

Besides, isn't the GTRs time around the ring for the GTR Spec R or whatever it's called and not the base?

 

As far as I know it wasn't the GTR Spec V. I do agree though it is a little bit over played, but according to some people the car is a great car to drive. I've also heard of this huge markup. In fact I've heard people paying 100 + for the GTR. I like the new Corvette, its a great looking car and its fast. But the only problem I have with it, its still a GM.

Chris

 

Until the independent Nurburgring Audit Council is formed, I guess we have to trust what we're told.

I'd imagine they all cheat... and what makes you think that the US-spec car will be quite a bit slower?

2 "thinks" and 1 "seems". Nabbs, if you've got info, spill it!

No.

Here's the facts:

1) According to Nissan Press in Tennessee, the 7:29 time was done in a US-Spec Car. They claim that the US-Spec car is actually the fastest and least restricted model in the world with no rev limiter and no GPS-lockout top speed limiter.

2) According to sources at Nissan's agency in Southern California, the GT-R ran over 3,000 miles on the Nurburgring and tested over 400 different tire and wheel setups.

3) According to sources who wish to remain anonymous (and employed), the Spec-V is going to be focused breaking the ZR1 time. They've known for a while that the ZR1 and new NSX was gonna trounce them, so they're been keeping this in the bag...

Personally, I think it's great that the Nurburgring is the new "standard" of performance measure.

Is that the final word? No. Of course not. Car guys will fight over anything. Next we'll be comparing the weight of door locking mechanisms and whose is lighter... But, it's the information we've got from the "horse's mouth" with very little conjecture and not much of a "leap of faith" in my part is required to believe.

 

I can't wait till we get 2 people to put the cars head to head. Meaning they actually buy 2 of the cars and put them on the track on that very same day.

 

I believe he has an r33 or r32(?); I am not familiar with Skylines, more of a German/Italian lover, but have seen his at a meet or two.

 

Emil, how about NJ dealers?

I thought NJ has a statute or rule that does not allow inflated premiums for cars.

 

Quite likely - Motorex used to import these and there's a few other companies that homologate them for the US market. As someone said previous, both bad ass cars with lineage. Most Americans certainly know Corvette, and the GT-R (Skyline) while not a big name in the States, has always been a legend in Japan. Early GT-Rs are "cousins" to the 240Z, albeit more powerful and hardcore - they both used the Prince-based inline 6 engines.

 

I personally dont see what all the hype is with the times at the "Ring". I love my Corvette and if I had the disposable income, I would be buying a ZR1. I do consider myself a fan of most cars, but I can not tell you what the Skyline or GT-R looks like. It doesnt make it a bad car , just not one I would buy.

And of course, like anyone here. I would die for the opportunity to run at "ring". But I will not lose sleep if my care if a fraction of a second off of the lap time of another car!

I am sure Dealers for both cars will be raising the prices well above sticker or invoice. Its up to you if you want to be raped during the purchase.

Thank you, ranting over.

 

As I said, I could be wrong. I guess that there is no correlation between owning a rare/nice car and the way one spells.

 

No comparison between the ZR1 and GTR in my opinion. I love the ZR1, it is an awesome car no question about it and a great value. But the GTR with an MSRP of $70k, all wheel drive AND a back seat? I've finally found a replacement for my STi. I love hitting the winter snow cross events in the STi, not a single 'Vette to be found! GTR is a true all season supercar with a back seat for the kids, for my situation nothing else comes close.

 

Lucky kids, if you really want an even faster GTR, Nissan said they are releasing the GTR Spec V with carbon fiber front lip and roof and other various differences all being backed up an increase in HP. I think they said 550? I may be making that up though, I read the article a while ago.

 

Oh yeah I read about that spec V with all the carbon fiber bits...but I think the price was going to be pushing $90k. I'll take a standard GTR and do my own upgrades if I get bored with it! (don't see that happening for a looong time)

 

Don't you understand that if the GT-R ran the ring in 7:29 and the ZR1 ran it in 7:26... if I get behind the wheel, I can run it in that exact same time?

 

Buy an Exige 240, you'll have more fun than both of those overweight beasts.

 

Yeah that would be a fun car to modify. I doubt there will be tons of performance parts for the car, compared to the other Skylines. It seems like Nissan really tried to make this car difficult to modify. Also Nissan's ECU's lately have been tricky as hell. I know that with the little 4 cylinder engine QR25DE engine the ECU has been giving many people trouble trying to crack it. Not sure how the VQ35DE ECU has been doing, but to be truthful I think that this new GTR ECU will be a complete pain in the ass. I also know that there is a rumor of a black box inside the GTR that will record what the car does. Might be only a rumor but still.

Chris