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  1. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Ernie, I read a post of yours the other day that you were getting custom headers built, and that you were gonna flatbed your 348 to them - was that before or after you discovered your stock headers were shot? If prior, then damn you are good (actually, you are good regardless :D)
     
  2. porscheracer01

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    trade in your 348 for a porsche?

    what happen to your headers and stock in the highway?
     
  3. Sandy Eggo

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    Yeah, I obviously don't have the medical grade stuff Ernie is smokin' either...cuz what in the world do headers have to do with a 'miss'?

    If you're looking for an excuse to custom fab some headers, don't let me stand in they way. :D
     
  4. AceMaster

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    Wrong - because if it was going to be a trade, it will be his 348 for 10 porsches ;)
     
  5. ernie

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    #30 ernie, Nov 10, 2010
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    I guess I've been a bit confusing, so let me clear things up.

    I have been having TWO problems.

    1) The car has a slight misfire that can be heard and idle and low rpm's.
    2) I kept getting a CEL on 1/4 with the code 1212 (multiplicative value for self-adaptation lambda regulation, and or, additive value for self-adaptation lambda regulation). Yeah I know, "which one?".

    So.

    My thinking is that the miss was the cause of the light. Which is when I started swapping out parts, O2 sensors, coolant temp sensors, spark plugs, crank sensors, injection rail connector harnesses, and the last injectors.

    Now Dave I know you are thinking how can your kit help, but not help???? Since I had replaced everything that I could think of, and the miss was still there, I figured it had to be a wiring problem. Which is where Eric's fuel rail loom with your kit comes in. Well Eric was kind enough to lend me his injector looms so I could test them on my car. Before I swapped the looms, the popping from the miss could be distinctly heard at idle. Well After I put Eric's rail loom in the popping went down to, best I can describe, puffing. Not as loud but still there. So that is why I said it helped, but didn't get rid of the miss. It also let me know that my injector loom nor Eric's was the cause of the low rpm misfire.

    Is the "smoke" clearing the room???? :D

    Now on to the 1212 code.

    This past weekend I was thinking about how much I like my exhaust system that Ozzy made for me, and how I want to get this stupid miss cleared up so I could drive my car again. While I was thinking about this I remembered seeing little bits of white glass packing coming out the exhaust a couple days after I put his setup on. Not a whole lot mind you, and not the first day, it was a couple days later I noticed it what look like little white hairs getting blow out and a couple of feathery looking bits. I just chalked it up as left over packing getting spit out from when Ozzy welded it up. That was until I called Ozzy and talked to him about it. It was not until then that my problem emerged. Ozzy didn't use white packing his is GRAY, and mine was WHITE, which is the color of the packing under the heat shield around the factory HEADERS!

    Well son of a two balled beeotch!

    So I suspect what is happening is that the heat packing from the headers is getting sucked through the exhaust and spit out the back. I'm guessing It didn't get out before because I had the stock twin can mufflers on my car, and maybe the packing was getting trapped in the chambers of the cans. Being that there are two cans, little to nothing would come out. But since Ozzy's exhaust flow WAAAAY better than stock, and because I'm running highflow cats, the fibers get sucked in and spit out straight away.

    Which leans towards the 1212 code. Since the headers are "leaking" not only are they sucking in glass packing they are sucking in more AIR, so no WONDER the O2 sensor can't adjust the fuel mixture. The sensor is seeing extra oxygen in the exhaust, so it adjusts the fuel to richen it up. Now I don't know if the Motronic does this for all the injectors on that bank, I'm guessing it does, saying it does then that would make some/all of the cylinders too rich. So the Motronic is going nuts TRYING to get the mixture correct, richening it up, then leaning it out, rich, lean, rich, lean, and can't because of the "hole/s" in the header down stream.

    "Smoke" still clearing the room?

    Now I haven't ever heard of a 348 header melting, be we know good and well it's a problem on 355's. I see no reason to doubt I have been dealt a bad hand with my header/s.

    So..........it's of to the header shop. But then I still have that low rpm misfire to deal with.

    Given lemons - make lemonade. I wish. I have been given a lemon TREE, and think I may be out of sugar!
     
  6. ernie

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    #31 ernie, Nov 10, 2010
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    Hahahaha!!!!

    I love it!

    You HAVE to make that your avatar Rick!
     
  7. ernie

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    After.

    I have been talking about it for a few years, but now I have to.
     
  8. plugzit

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    I like the idea of zoomies on the 358! Or at the very least, dry pipes!
     
  9. AceMaster

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    I see.
     
  10. enginefxr

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    Sounds to me like a full blown SRI kit would be the ticket.
    If a partial kit on the injector harness "helped", you're on to something.

    I'm finishing up my first full blown install on a 355, installing the ECU terminals today.
    After I finished the install on the engine sensors, I fired the car up to verify all was good to go before proceeding with the ECU's.
    No more CEL's at start up, smoother idle noticed off the bat.
    Can't wait to see the overall improvement when it's totally finished!!

    From the improvement I've seen so far, I'm going to recommend this kit to ALL the cars that come in the shop.
     
  11. ernie

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    Yup. This is in the plans.

    But I'm gonna go one even better. Not only will Dave's kit be put in but I am SERIOUSLY considering rewiring the entire loom with Mil-Spec wiring.

    However, since these damn headers have had it, that now goes back on the shelf until I get the headers made. I could do everything all at once, but then if the problem goes away I wouldn't be able to pin point exactly what the problem was. So it's the long road I guess.
     
  12. plugzit

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    Won't duct tape fix it?
     
  13. ernie

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  14. AceMaster

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    Lol
     
  15. fatbillybob

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    Post picture of header.

    PROPERLY diagnose the miss. You are part replacing because of incomplete diagnosis.
     
  16. ghardt

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    +1 respectfully
     
  17. plugzit

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    You guys must be kidding! There's not a part on Ernie's car that doesn't need replacing! :)
     
  18. davehelms

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    I wasnt finished with the sentence before I realized what I might have suggested.

    Ernie, I have never seen it, never heard it, havent even seen a picture of it, only trying to employ logic to the problems.

    But what do I know...I dont even have a streetable Ferrari with an engine in it!
     
  19. 2NA

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  20. vvassallo

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    You know I was wondering since we are on the topic, sort of, about CARB and 348 header replacements. Usually headers (or exhaust manis) have the EGR system plumbed into them, like the 355. But our 348's by "superior design" do not. The EGR plumbing is in the heads. Heh, heh. So, may I assume that any header replacement for the 348 is naturally CARB legal since there is no CARB/EPA/EGR stuff in, on or around them?!

    As far as those goofy looking header surrounds in the stock unit, that's a heat management thing easily accomplished by ceramic coating and wraps, I would think.

    I'm thinking this is a blessing. Can you say "Group buy"?!!!
     
  21. ernie

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    Well I guess this means I'm just gonna have to pull the headers and see for SURE what the deal is.
     
  22. ernie

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    #47 ernie, Nov 10, 2010
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    I welcome any and all ideas. Because this chump is stumped.

    Matter of fact why don't you spark up that 12 cylinder of yours and drive it up here tomorrow to give me a hand removing the headers for a looksy inside.

    Whatcha say fatboy?
     
  23. ernie

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    LOL!

    Wiseass.
     
  24. davehelms

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    Upside.... there is a parts car near by.

    Ernie,

    I have cracked many headers on the IMSA 348, nothing strange about that, hell I remember laying on my back in the paddock and gas welding the 358 headers. Usually they crack right at the first 2 into 1 collector but even on that noisy IMSA I can hear them when they first crack. I have nothing against headers being built but based on all you have posted to date, replacing even cracked ones will not completely cure your problem.
    I just thought it would be a novel idea to Fix the car and then Electively throw wagon loads of money at it to restore it in between fun drives.

    Headers by defination are an emissions device.... read the CARB rules before assuming.
     
  25. ernie

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    #50 ernie, Nov 10, 2010
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    Good point Dave.

    Man this just sucks sweaty donkey balls. I really wish this pile of crap car would just stop giving me grief. It seems as though soon as one thing gets fixed another pops up, and then another, and another, and another, and..............yeah another, and another after that. Be VERY careful what you wish for. When I first bought this thing I wanted to learn how to work on it myself, and BOOOOOOOOOOOY did I ever get a lesson.
     

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