Not: McClaren, or Mc Laren, or MClaren MacLaren Mac Laren MkLaren, or any other combination. Give Bruce some respect ... after all it's not Ferari is it. Bruce McLaren was a legend and I am proud to have been born in the same country. Never met the man (I was only 2 when he died) ... but read a lot and he was right up there with Colin Chapman, etc. Pete ps: And yes well aware that the current team was Project 4 renamed after Marlboro moved it's support ... but they wanted kept the McLaren name for good reason! Note also been around in F1 the second longest too ... now.
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They maybe having problems right now, but they're still in a far better position than Ferrari, after all it's a lot easier to make a fast car reliable, than it is to make a reliable car fast
Yeah my Toyota people mover is extremely reliable ... but fast ... you got to be joking It's also 2.4 litres ... so I guess elibile for next season ... Pete
Yes so disgraceful in fact that they have the fastest car right now and are b$tchslaping your boys in red.
In order to finish first, you need to first finish. I don't seem to recall the last time McLaren won 6 Constructor's World Championships in a row.
Huh ?? Ferrari has done it the last 6 years running. McL cars are still have the same reliability probs they've had for the the last few years and only this year they have become 'fast'. They've made a slow car fast but cannot get a handle on reliability. So apparently it's not easier to make a fast car reliable. And given that KR is only handful of points ahead MS, I'd have to disagree that McL are in a 'far better position' than Ferrari.
I seem to remember it took Ferrari 50 years to accumulate the same number of race wins McLaren did in the half the time...
When you're on the internet, it's always best to assume you're dealing with people who (at best) have a 4th grade education. It's hard enough for them to spell words like "the" correctly... let's not get carried away with our expectations
Best response to dealing with respect and understanding the true intent of the people on Fchat. Good job Mike. Besides, comparing Furari and MacLareon in terms of wins and losses, best five years to last, people involved and respect warranted would be a never ending debate. The same crew should move on to the Politics and Religion section next to claim which religion has better afterlife benefits. Im sure a clear cut answer to one choice will emerge... right? Why compare Ferrari to McLaren the past five years anyway? Bring up the Senna/Prost wars and I think Ferrari's reign seems too methodical and not as passionate and the where were you then questions can pop out as much as it is vice versa today. Sure the results for Ferrari the past few years have been great but its never fun to see it spawn other actions such as a drastic change in FIA procedure every year and charismatic team owners crying like babies. Instead of being babies saying who's Dad beat up another Dad more so over the past 50 years or that my Dad should have more respect than your Dad, show more class and a hint of being an adult by talking of hope that either team has shown hints of knocking Renault off the throne. That's right boys and gals, last time I checked it wasn't our legends or heros at the top of the standings. RocketBoy
Sorry mate you are just plain wrong ... fivebob is 100% right. I do not care about which team is in a better position (well atleast I do not want to debate it, but I know which team I'd choose ) but the golden rule of motorsport has always been speed comes first ... reliability can be made afterwards. If a car is plain slow (like the current Ferrari F2005) then it is damn hard to make it fast ... why because that slowness is more than likely inherent in the design. Reliability on the other hand can sometimes be as simple as making something ever so slightly bigger/heavier ... which hopefully does little to slow it down. Pete
What good does it do to finish if you finish in 5th and 10? Mclaren won 4 in a row with Honda. You forgot about that already?
McLaren constructors championships: 1974, 84, 85, 88, 89, 90, 91, 98 Thus from 84 to 91 they only lost 2 out of the possible 7 ... and note it only took them 2 years, then 7 (not 17) like Ferrari to win again, and I think they are close to another ... Lets see how Ferrari go after loosing this year ... will it be another 17 year dought (note I am talking constructors here not drivers, which ofcourse was 21 years). Pete
A better comparison would be if McLaren built and designed it's own engines - (I guess up until now they are under the MB umbrella?). Ferrari has been constructing the complete package since day one. (Except of course for the Lancia/Ferrari D50). I'm not saying this is a piece of cake but resources and manpower can be focused on the chassis while the engine is engineered by someone else. A little bit different when you're responsible for the whole thing. Easier said than done.
Maybe so but they choose to do it that way. Plus Mclaren's main business is just racing, Ferrari's is building cars so they have more resource wise.
Racer, Do not forget that McLaren just failed in their attempts at being a car manufacturer to every supercar fan's loss. I for one would have loved to have seen their mid engined 360 challenger. Does the SLR really do anything for anyone? Obviously not as in the midwest I have seen a few sit in dealers for a while. Didn't Gordon Murray leave over his disgust with the Mercedes McLaren relationship, claiming AMG reps elbowed him out of the way of design and when asked what is the SLR's biggest problem he responded, " the SL65." McLaren might be all about racing and one of the best of all time, but their relationships with engine suppliers and recent ploy into manufacturing is far from the two hat (racing and manufacturing, ) success of Ferrari, Renault, dare I say Ford. I would not say McLaren are always squeaky clean and probably should have a better impact due to their racing success into on road activities. Having the guy who is responsible for the McLaren F1 leave due to Benz?!? That's like kicking your own son out of the house because your banker doesn't like him. RocketBoy
I wouldn't call McLaren's foray into road car building a total failure, mainly because of the F1, which was a marvel and the SLR. Ferrari has a long a storied history in building road cars whereas McLaren did not and if i recall they had no intetion of ever really being a manufactuer. It was more a case of MB running the show when it came to the road cars. Rememeber McLaren hit thier slide after Senna left when they started the whole road car deal.
