Someone also stated or posted a link saying that Haas is already doing aero testing IIRC. Can't recall where I saw that. They also went on to imply that, in doing so, Ferrari might be acquiring aero data in-season that they shouldn't ; ) I just think Haas knows how difficult it is to build a competitive car, so he is going to let the team focus on less design initially. There is no reason they can't add more custom parts later as they ramp up design and gain experience. Chrysler logos...I threw up in my mouth a little. ; )
I think this may be thread you are thinking of. Story implying Ferrari gained useful aero data was in first post of thread http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489452 T
Sprint was in charge of collecting and giving out the results. Not NASCAR. (At least, as far as I know as of 2014). Did anything change in 2015?
Because Haas are not a current F1 team they can test 24/7 in the wind tunnel or on the track. I'm not sure when that changes; at the end of the 2015 season or at the beginning of the 2016 season. The chassis is being built by Dallara. Body/Aero built by Dallarra and tested in Ferrari wind tunnel. Almost all operating systems and ancillaries provided by Ferrari. I am suspicious of the choice to use Ferrari's wind tunnel. Haas owns the Windshear wind tunnel, which is as good as any in the world. I suspect that Ferrari is getting some good data fallout from whatever Haas does in the wind tunnel.
That's what the story linked above implies. Interestingly, IIRC, the person sent to look into these allegations was a former Ferrari employee. Talk about possible conflict of interest...T
oh Andrew, you know I could care less. it was just a commentary how things related to nascar and danica are seemingly very manipulated. that is all.
Hass isn't allowed to use their own wind tunnel for F1 - FIA regulations limit F1 wind tunnels to 60% scale, the Windshear tunnel is a full 100% scale tunnel. The limit was for cost control reasons, to prevent the F1 teams from replacing their 50% or 60% tunnels with 100% tunnels.
My understanding is that they are currently not restricted by FIA F1 rules. But, it certainly makes sense for them to start off using the wind tunnel that they will be required to use going forward once they are governed by the F1 rules. And the benefits to Ferrari is also a factor.
True. But Dallara is in Italy so does make logistical sense I think. Sounds like they will do a ton of work out of the UK also.
I don't think that's quite correct. The models are now limited to 60%, but many of the tunnels they're using are indeed capable of handling full size cars. I'm sticking with they're trying to correlate the two tunnels, given the same models..... No "conspiracy" with Ferrari to circumvent the rules, just smart engineering by both party's IMO. Cheers, Ian
OK, found it! Nothing about tunnel size, but the Sporting Regs, Appendix 8, section 1.3 states; ["Restricted" is defined in 1.1 & 1.2.....] However, of more interest here - and something that makes no sense to me at all; For those in old math, 50m/s is roughly 112mph!.... and; It goes on to define "12 month period" etc, for the teams - which, of course, Haas isn't as yet...... Cheers, Ian
According to the BBC F1 coverage in Canada, the FIA have already investigated Ferrari over the use of their wind tunnel by Haas and the possibility of Ferrari gaining additional aero information, and/or using the Haas wind tunnel time for their own purposes, and as far as the FIA are concerned, everything is being done to the letter of their rules/regulations and Ferrari have no access to the Haas data. (Of course that wont stop the regular Fchat accusations that Ferrari must be cheating!)
The way I see it is next year Haas car will be very similar to this year's Ferrari and the current wind tunnel tests are helping both. Nothing wrong with that. Look at Red bull/toro rosso. They have both pretty much the same car and have twice the tests allowed for it.
Right, I thought the Wind Tunnel article pointed out as Ian did, that the rules/regulations apply to "constructors", and as of right now in 2015 the Haas F1 team is NOT a constructor. Letter of the rules?: Yes. Spirit of the Rules?: Gigantic Loophole!
