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  1. Nortonious

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    Simply unbelievable wasn't it?
     
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  6. Etcetera

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    Kind of fitting Haas and Rich Energy became partners.

    Rich Energy used something they didn't make...their logo
    Haas uses things they don't make....engine, transmission, suspension, brakes, chassis.
     
  7. william

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    Haas plays by the rules, and within its budget limits.

    A very healthy attitude to F1 business, IMO.
     
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    Just because it's allowed by the rules, it doesn't mean it is smart. Remember, FIA are the same group of morons that killed WRC, and have a hand in killing WEC. They do not have a good track record for composing sane rules.

    Haas aren't a team. They are a bunch of Airfix hobbyists.
     
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    Well, that's our opinion, and you will find people agreeing with you, of course.

    Myself, I find his approach very smart and realistic; there is no need to re-invent the Wheel.

    Right now, Haas is ahead of several teams that have criticised him ...
     
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    And Le Mans LMP1
     
  11. Etcetera

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    And behind a team that has Stroll as one of their drivers. You'd think a team that has a Ferrari engine, transmission, suspension, and brakes would be a lot higher up the grid than behind LANCE STROLL and 3 points away from being 3rd to LAST place. They are clearly setting the grid ablaze with their racing prowess LMAO.
     
  12. william

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    Yes, very true all that.

    But Haas is ahead of Alfa Romeo, Renault (!!), Toro Rosso and Williams of course, at this point in time (pre-Monaco). Nothing to be ashamed of.

    You don't say anything about Alfa Romeo that benefits from Ferrari components too.

    But anyway, I wasn't arguing about results, but about the clever approach to F1 taken by Gene Haas, and hopefully further explored by Liberty in future rules.
     
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    HAAS is getting a new rear suspension at the Canadian GP. Springs and dampers are replaced by hydraulic elements that simultaneously adjust the ground clearance depending on the driving situation. Ferrari supplies the parts.
     
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    Are we talking active suspension here? Unbanned?
    Or just during setup?

    Am I mistaken, or hasn't it been supplying the suspension parts since Haas's inception?
     
  15. jgonzalesm6

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    Ferrari have been using hydraulic actuators...if that answers your question.

    MB too.


    Yes, but it's obvious from AMuS that HAAS was on the old spring & damper setup. Not anymore.
     
  16. Sorta kinda, but I didn't know ACTIVE SUSPENSION is legal now ('don't check the regs. like I used to). 'Any diagrams (links) of these systems offhand?
    Or are they actually passive?
    ('Not following like I used to, I don't see how there would be a passive, automatic ride height adjuster as they did on active suspension ground effect cars with height sensors and pumps.....thus my "unbanned" question. Erggghhh, 'getting old(er) and tired(er). 'Just can't keep up anymore... ;))
     
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    It's not legal. MB suspension is the most advanced and legal.

    Their front suspension (push-rod) is unique of all the cars. It has an elbow close to the wheel hub which aids in turn-in and helps keep more of a contact patch in the corners.

    Their rear suspension is a mystery since it is shrouded under the engine cover-gearbox area. I have an article that points to a SIMULATED(stressed) rear wheel steering set-up that MB have tested late in 2018 and more than likely have perfected it now.

    I'll find the link of the SIMULATED rear wheel steering and another from AMuS about Ferrari's hydraulic suspension-->even though Vettal negates anything with the hydraulic suspension; the car simply needs more downforce set-up to get these tires in their "operating window" (FFS :rolleyes:).
     
  18. jgonzalesm6

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    so here's the link to the Merc's simulated rear wheel steering on FChat that I posted during Barcelona testing 2019

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/barcelona-testing-2019-circuit-de-catalunya.594252/page-19#post-146472135



    Here's one about Ferrari's hydraulic suspension (current) from AMuS (translated)

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferrari-technik-hydraulik-fahrwerk/&prev=search


    and then use the FChat search engine and: 1) type in "hydraulic actuators"
    2) user box: jgonzalesm6

    and that shoud query the findings.
     
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    Rich energy are idiots. They are calling the logo situation a baseless case. They practically Xeroxed it.
     
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    Yes, a clear case of trademark infringement, it seems.
     
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    This was a crappy race for the drivers and the team.

    The mechanics got it right though....no foul-ups in the pit stops.
     
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    An Injunction been granted preventing Rich Energy from infringing Whyte Bikes’ copyright in their stag logo. Rich Energy will not be able to use the stag logo on energy drinks or on any other products; the injunction takes effect on 18 July.

    Rich Energy’s request for a 3 month delay of the injunction was refused, they have been granted 3 weeks only

    Rich Energy’s request for permission to appeal was refused. They can ask the Court of Appeal for permission to appeal. Any application for permission to appeal and/or for a continuation of the stay will have to be made by 18 July.

    This is where it gets...interesting. Rich Energy have been ordered to deliver up all infringing products to Whyte Bikes, or, at Rich Energy’s option, to destroy the items or "render them non-infringing" by 1 August 2019.

    A court declaration has been made that Rich Energy’s stag’s head logo UK trade mark is invalid; this declaration takes effect on the 18th July

    Rich Energy has been ordered to disclose to Whyte Bikes the total UK and global sales to date of cans of “Rich Energy” drink bearing the Rich Energy stag’s head logo and the total sums received from such sales

    Rich Energy has been ordered to pay costs of £35,416 to Whyte Bikes within 14 days.

    And, finally, damages for copyright infringement, if not agreed between Rich Energy and Whyte Bikes, will be assessed by the court at a later hearing
     
  24. william

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    Rich Energy announce Haas sponsorship termination

    Silverstone, UK

    British Grand Prix – Haas’ team sponsors Rich Energy have taken to Twitter to announce they are pulling their sponsorship, citing poor performance.

    Haas’ 2019 title sponsor, British energy drinks supplier Rich Energy, have announced they are pulling the plug on their sponsorship of the team after just a few months.

    Citing the team’s ‘poor performance’, the drinks company’s tweet said: “Today, we terminated our contract with Haas F1 Team for poor performance. We aim to beat Red Bull Racing & being behind Williams Racing in Austria is unacceptable. The politics and PC attitude in F1 is also inhibiting our business. We wish the team well.”


    Well, that didn't last long.

    I always suspected something fishy about that sponsorship.
    First Rich Energy Financial and industrial claims couldn't be substanciated.
    Then the CEO was somehow a bit ... dodgy.
    Then there was the logo infringement and the litigation they lost.
    Now they blame F1, but it seems they got the publicity they wanted.
     

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