Hamilton deserves more respect

It goes both ways.

Some folks say making public racist/homophobic comments are wrong. There are those like you that say it's a nonissue.

You're trying to cast your lot with the middle group that is the ones that *genuinely* don't care - that group wouldn't even respond; why? Cuz they don't care.

It's okay, man - nothing wrong with letting folks know what you believe. In fact, I would say most of the world would agree with you.

I know nothing I can say will change your mind; that's fine - I've always said it's better to have an honest disagreement than forced consensus. It's just important to make clear the two diametrical different positions and let folks decide for themselves.

 

Well, you just did.

The way I see it, there are always 3 options anytime somebody in the public light makes a racist statement.

1) Ignore it, and say nothing.
2) Respond by saying you disagree with it.
3) Respond, saying you have no issue with it.

I notice a lot of #3 think they are doing #1.



Why? Because taking 2 positions at the same time gives you some 'cover.' You 'don't care so much that you had to respond to express how much you're indifferent.

To double down, this cohort says anybody in group #2 is disingenuous and doing it purely to virtue signal.
Odd since that would imply that since you and @Jack-the-lad have no issue with it, everybody has no problem - Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz are obfuscating their true beliefs.

 

I didnt know he had it twice. He needs to sanitize his Mics . Before the concerts

 

I implore you to give the issue some more thought

Allow me to copy a post I made a few months ago:

YES, the FIA fully admitted to "ambiguity" in the rules ... after all, why else would there be a need to change or clarify the rules?

Also, who has the authority to interpret or resolve the rules, during the heat of battle? Lewis Hamilton, Toto Wolff, a team of lawyers conferenced-in ... or the Race Director? Let's remember, that the stewards fully supported the Race Director (a posteriori) on following the letter of the rules, and Mercedes themselves fully supported the Race Director (a priori) on the following the spirit of the rules.

Finally, regarding Masi's re-assignment, let's remember that bin Sulayem was recently quoted as saying that he would use Masi again in the role as Race Director!! Clearly, the re-assignment was a purely political move ... intended to appease someone ... rather than any statement about abilities

But again, none of it matters The FIA fully validated Verstappen as 2021 champion (direct quote) ... and Verstappen continues to demonstrate his skill where it matters: not on social media, but on the track

 

While I disagreed, I at least understood consternation on forced masks in specific settings. What cracks me up is some folks are now complaining about folks wearing masks by personal choice. Talk about the pendulum swinging too far the other way, whinging about other people's personal preferences that have zero effect on you. What's next? Are folks going to yell at that people use Purell? Shake your fist at those useless toilet paper guards?

 

He should get vaccinated so he doesn't have to worry about catching it.

 

I have given your comments a thought, which comes down to this.

The first violation leaves no room for ambiguity or interpretation - it should be a whole lap.

Do I think Masi acted in bad faith? No, not at all. To me, rules are there to keep a level playing field. You can't selectively enforce them, even if that means a more thrilling match.

If a race director can selectively apply/disregard rules - then why even race? Just let Masi decide who wins.

Wait...

 

You still don't understand the concept of not catching it vs. limiting severity? It's just like the flu shot, hell - throw in Tetanus in there as well.

 

The point I was making is that it has to do with money and fans and the rules will always be setup to ensure maximum returns of money to the teams while delivering maximum excitement to the fans. No fans...no money. No money...no racing. Therefore, No fans...no racing. Therefore, rules are setup for fair play, but fans do not like technicalities, and ending the race on a technicality creates angry fans. NASCAR even realized this with massive grumblings of the fans and the major loss of fans because of the races ending on technicalities. They went to the green/white checker and that made fans happy and happy fans spend money and make advertisers happy. Like it or hate it, bears no matter in the argument that rules were written in this specific case that allowed the race director to make a call. He made it. Then all the armchair quarterbacking began from a bunch of crybabies that wanted their driver to be handed a trophy over a call they did not like. I don't really care, the ending to the season was what it was and it was more exciting than a bunch of technical rule endings that the FIA likes since it is a egocentric body at best. Masi is a hero and did exactly what he was to do, give the fans what they wanted. They should erect a statue of him in front of the FIA offices...

 

You make good points here - in terms of good for the sport? Hell yeah. I get what you're saying. Drama = $$$

That said, I can walk and chew gum; what Masi did had long-term positive in terms of titillation, albeit I will still argue he made the wrong call. It happens all the time in sports; it's not new. Bad calls have decided many games. I do agree Max Verstappen won. I don't think Lewis should have gotten it championship awarded retroactively, even if it was a bad call.

I still think Lewis should have retired then and there - what more perfect way to end his run would fit with his brand as the perpetual victim overcoming all odds.

Most folks would argue he has the most championships of all time, the controversial last race only adds to Hamilton's persona of a person always fighting an uphill battle.

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Now he just looks like George's wingman and gives credence to what critics have been arguing for over a decade.

 

The FIA really needs to review its rules to ensure that fair play AND fan excitement is taken into account. They made a VERY good step with a spending cap. This was a very good first step to start making the racing more level and competitive. Sometimes one overarching rule can make racing better for the fans. I think they need to really take a serious look at fan excitement when it comes down to the end of a race where yellows/safety cars/red flags have been enacted. Create a fair play set of rules that always asks the question: "Does/Will this contribute positively to fan excitement?", if the answer is no, then take another look at it. I love F1 racing and I never liked dynasties due to one team having $1 Billion to spend and has its own race tracks and wind tunnels and then you have another team that has $50 million and is just trying to field a car. This is not excitement, it's buying a championship. That's why the spending cap is long overdue, why? Because it answers positively to the question "Does/Will this contribute positively to fan excitement?" We can see the results this year with closer competition and this is the first year. This is just a viewpoint from a fan of the incredible talent of every driver/team in F1 that can do what these people do. It's truly incredible.

 

Spot on! Couldn’t agree more!

 

Largely agree.

For example, selectively allowing a driver to gain a position off-track, with no penalty ... that would be a clear case of selective bias but i digress ...

Regarding the last few laps of 2021 ... at the time pit decisions needed to be made, all teams had the full expectation that the race would end under green (a couple very solid reasons for this, covered a dozen times). Why would the Race Director deny a green finish that the fans wanted, and that all teams agreed to and in fact expected ... just because one team decided not to pit for fresh tires? That would be a clear case of selective bias, as well ...

When all is said and done, Masi was guilty of one thing, and one thing only: allowing the top two drivers to RACE for the win.

 

F1 fell from its status as a professional sport to a joke over the way Masi screwed up the last few laps of the last race of 2021. Masi was sacked for making F1 a farce in the eyes of the 70% of fans who aren't Hamilton haters.

The longer this thread goes the more it reminds everyone that Lewis is not only the F1 driver with the most wins in the sport, he is also the most popular man on Fchat by a long margin. Can't stop thinking about Lewis Hamilton, keep this thread going because good or bad its all about being in the conversation in today's world. Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

See the love for LH is still going

 

It's not only love, it is a belief and there is no point in arguing with believers.

 

I was talking of those who love to hate, ferrari forum, LH topic is by far the most active, yet he has never drove for us, its also those who show them selfs to hate him ( I think its more jealousy? ) who go on about him the most.

https://upjourney.com/how-to-stop-thinking-or-obsessing-about-someone-you-hate

 

Speaking only for myself, I do not hate LH. Actually I even quite liked him in his first year in F1. That changed later when he started to show some personality traits I am not very fond of.

However, what I absolutely dislike is his mindless fan base who want to "prove" that LH is the GOAT with whatever comes to hand. It is clear that he is the most successful F1 driver ever; if he is the best is a matter of personal preference and can be debated. "Debate" is something else than yelling an opinion without any argument to back up that opinion and disrespecting all other opinions.

 

Oh so now the woke toilet is the goat of fchat also? You people are seriously disturbing.

 

Where is your proof? Show me a driver that has more threads and post than Hamilton.

 

Amazing. Mercedes improved the car so it's competitive again and one of his biggest fans returns.

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PS the most popular thread on fchat is a driver few actually like.

Post #'s does not equal love for.

 

Most argued thread.

 

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Bingo. Most argued does not equal popularity.