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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I don't agree with them because they aren't Brazilian.

    Now, answer my question and don't try to use other F1 drivers to validate what you and any other non-Brazilian media are trying to push.
     
  2. paulchua

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    did you see the podcast? It's pretty clear. I encourage you to watch it. I mean, it's not the first time; you do know Piquet often taunted Senna for being 'gay' too?

    Why would he not use racial slang for other drivers, just Lewis? Also, the homophobic slur leaves no room for interpretation.

    As I said, it's cool, man; I know many people here see nothing wrong with this language (I would argue most of the world even). I'm not the moral police.

    If anything I say, folks of your persuasion should be louder and more conspicuous about your non-issue with it.
     
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  3. jgonzalesm6

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    You're dodging my question again and/or refuse to answer it.

    You stepped in it......now own up to it.

    What the heck did your Brazilian counterparts tell you about the word Nelson Piquet used??? WAS IT RACIAL???
     
  4. paulchua

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    As I said if somebody called a driver a red-neck cracker 4aggot while being interviewed.

    Folks can do 3 things
    1) Keep silent
    2) Say that's wrong
    3) Say that's right

    Which do you choose? I choose #2, and I'm the troll.

    :)
     
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    Absolutely, in fact, even Max and Piquet said so. Why apologize if not?
     
  6. jgonzalesm6

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    Max said Piquet is not a racist.

    Did you.actually read Piquet's apology??

    Again, DID YOUR BRAZILIAN COUNTERPARTS SAY THE WORD PIQUET USED WAS RACIAL???
     
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    Dodging the question?

    "Neguinho" can be used as guy, dude or even not referring to one person, like "neguinho é foda", is is like a poositive way someone is the the greatest. (yeah, yeah - it's complicated.)

    A political correct form in Brazilian Portuguese is "negro", while "preto" is the racist form.

    Furthermore, Neguinho is always used on folks you know, someone you are already close to, or in the very specific situation I laid out above.

    Ask anyone from Brazil, and confirm yourself.
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    Piquet used the most obvious way to point out LH is black. Combine that with the homophobic slur, and you're still leaving this open to interpretation?

    Let's turn it around,

    What if Piquet said Lewis crashed into that "White guy" that takes it "in the behind"

    You did see the second release right?
     
  8. jgonzalesm6

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    You know what.....forget it.

    Your post #4466 says what your Brazilian counterparts think of the word. It wasn't racial.

    And quite honestly, I don't see how that word that Piquet used compares with the racial words you used to various F1 drivers of different ethnicities.

    Have a nice day.
     
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  9. paulchua

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    I don't know about you folks, but I would never refer to Michael Schumacher as that "redneck that takes it from the behind."

    Just me....
     
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    Hey, I know; in fact, many folks like you agree with him. That's fine. I'm not about forcing folks to think a certain way.

    As I said, I'm just glad the FIA, F1, Scuderia Ferrari, and all the drivers that I love agree with me and disagree with you.

    It is what it is.

    I know personally, it would cause me some sort of cognitive dissonance to see a driver I follow have a fundamental disagreement about something essential as this. I don't know if I could support them as earnestly.
     
  11. jgonzalesm6

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    How do you know all those entities that you just mentioned know the Brazilian language dialect??? Me personally, I don't fall for that kind of "all-knowing" narrative when 98% of the media is pushing this "racial slur" narrative from a country that's several thousand miles/kilometers away.
     
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    Doesn't that go on in this country when referring to NASCAR? From national network "journalist" even? I heard them call NASCAR fans similar names for the last 10 years. Did we have hearings? Were they investigated by police? Were they banned from ALL NASCAR owned events and tracks and media days? IMSA Bans? Were the networks banned? Did the networks fire them? WHERE WAS THE WORLDWIDE OUTRAGE?? Is it #1, #2, or #3 from you each time when this was happening and continues to happen?
     
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    I'm all for free speech, but I also don't really think it's asking too much to want to be referred to by your name, as opposed to something inarguably less tasteful.
     
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    I agree..........the fact remains was it racial??? I've seen some Brazilians say it wasn't.
     
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    My wife’s Portuguese, but not Brazilian. When I pronounced the word, her eyes went wide. I acknowledge that there is a cultural difference, but it didn’t sound like a term of endearment in the context in which it was used.
     
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    Hence the apology from Piquet. If the word was disrespectful, then so be it......but it certainly wasn't racial.
     
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    The term itself is inherently racial, since it translates to “little black boy.” The question is really what was his intention when he said it. The culture in Brazil is different than in the US, and I don’t think it was said with racist intent, but It doesn’t really seem like he used it as a term of endearment when he coupled it with saying Hamilton was busy taking it in the butt. I don’t really care either way. I’m just saying the world would be a better place if we stopped making comments like this.
     
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    We definitely live in a different environment with regards to what Nelson Piquet meant and how todays society takes it as opposed to 20 or 30 or 40 years ago.
     
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    It looks like you are.
     
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    Having spent some time in Brasil, and speaking to locals about how they view skin colour they don’t really see skin colour as race, more just that it is a description of who someone is, just like hair colour or sex. I would be wary of any non Brazilian doing a translation of Portuguese out of context of the discussion, who was talking to who, and who the discussion is about as these aspects actually change the way words and phrases are spoken. Like a lot of languages there are peculiar nuances that don’t translate to English and can twist the meaning in a different direction.
     
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    You need get on a plane and go tell all them Brazilian MP's that they are wrong, let me know how it goes
     
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    The questions are: Where were the race stewards on that day ?

    Are the track marshals allowed to move a car with the engine still running ?


    What the rules say about such incident ?
     
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    Agreed.

    And "Why only remove 1 car(Hamiltons)from the gravel trap when there were others there as well?"
     
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    Would "Southern Homosexual" be the appropriate label ?
     

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