It's another storm in a tea cup, stired up by the media, with the usual Mercedes critics jumping on the badwaggon. I haven't heard about a team lodging an appeal against that technical directive, have you ? . I suspect it came conveniently for some engineers to solve their problem !
You have to do better as evidence of a FIA-Mercedes conspiracy. This footage is absolutely useles to prove that Mercedes coerced the FIA to change the rule, which is the argument by some here. I don't hear any team principal saying he will appeal against a change to the rules; in fact, they look rather sheepish. Only Horner voices an opinion, using expletives. I retain these final words from Stefano Domenicali " We will make sure the FIA discuss this in a proper way" The FIA did just that and came in favour of the Mercedes proposition, to write a new technical directive.
I'm sorry you can't understand the difference between the concepts of "intent" and "impact." Discussing predictions made in that article is an irrelevant straw man, and I'm having none of it with you. Here are seven secondary sources about the six of the nine teams who were prepared to go as far as lodge formal protests against Mercedes-Benz's request. Feel free to post evidence of your own refuting it. https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/117916/strong-opposition-from-f1-teams-to-new-porpoising-rules-for-2023.html https://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/en/formula-1/six-teams-reject-porpoising-rule-changes,173381.html https://www.planetf1.com/news/six-teams-oppose-proposed-fia-2023-f1-floor-changes https://scuderiafans.com/porpoising-and-flexi-floors-six-teams-against-fia-and-mercedes/ https://firstsportz.com/f1-news-fia-facing-protests-from-six-formula-1-teams-for-limiting-porpoising-in-favour-of-mercedes/ https://formula1news.co.uk/six-teams-protesting-rule-change-as-fia-accused-of-aiding-mercedes/ https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-6-f1-teams-including-red-bull-ferrari-opposing-fia-s-2023-floor-regulations-reports
I never used the word "coerced," or any variation of it. I have been clear in saying that decisions appear to be made unilaterally by the FIA and Mercedes-Benz.
There are perhaps a dozen of examples of the FIA helping out Mercedes. The whole hybrid power unit to start with. The tire change in 2018. The lack of punishment for burning oil as fuel. Their odd intake manifold sensor location that got ignored. The flexi rear wing in Brazil 2021. The mid season on Red Bull's flexy rear wing in 2021. The weird ban on electronic pit releases that a strong point for Red Bull in 2021. The FIA ignoring conversations about their flexy front wing in 2021. Allowing DAS for the entire season and then banning it. FIA doing nothing about their participation in giving technically blue prints to Racing Point in 2020. The list goes on and on. All of have limited "proof" but evidence of benefiting or at least not hurting Mercedes. However the example of Mercedes directly lobbying to have the rules changed for their benefit against he wishes of pretty much every other team has loads of evidence to the point it is undeniable. Yet the Mercedes fans still refuse to see the facts and want to argue it.
I was going to say we have discussed everything from Ecclestone saying that Mercedes had a head-start on the 2014 regulations to secret tire tests that resulted in a slap on the wrist on this forum, but your post was far more comprehensive. Frankly, I've had enough of all of it, as well as the Mercedes and Hamilton martyrs who love to attack any context that contradicts their fragile views, so I'm out of here.
Fine: Ferrari: FIA did not follow right procedure with F1 technical directive (motorsport.com) Toto Wolff fury at 'pitiful manipulative' F1 rivals - GPFans.com Haas' Guenther Steiner warns F1 ‘not to set a precedent’ with regulation change : PlanetF1 "Red Bull and 5 other teams are against the regulation change" EDIT: I see @Giallo 550 produced a comprehensive list as well
It looks to me like Mercedes was the canary in the mine: the first team to detect an issue, and concerned enough about the potential dangers ot porpoising to warn the FIA. Some teams ignored it, others accepted the risk telling their drivers to say nothing it was whispered, presumably expecting to solve the problem themselves. The FIA Technical Committee deals with these issues. Are they in the dock too for advising a Technical Directive ?
All you give as evidence to support your claim are clips from media website? Are you serious ? That's worth nothing, and you know it. They say something one day, and contradict themselves the next. The FIA has channels to challenge its decision, and a Council that meets regularly to adjudicate on the cases. I still wait to see when a F1 team challenged the FIA to contest some of its decisions, like all of the favours it did to Mercedes. All I see is team principals complaining to the media, and journos making mountains out of molehills. Why didn't they deposit $15k to lodge a formal complaint ? There is nothing like taking the pin of a grenade to make people take notice !! They all want their cake and eat it !! They don't like something, but not to the point of rocking the boat, no Sir !!! Ecclestone was more honest; he used to put the teams on strike when the FIA went too far !!!
No, it's not fair if you **** a car that was built acording to a set of rules and that was competitive under those rules, to please a team that was too incompetent to build a good car, and sucked...
They detected an issue all right, that their car sucked, and since they were unable to fix it, the solution was to screw everyone else's cars....
They are actively quoting team principals. The rest of your post is not worth reading nor responding to. You really only want to hear/read what you want. Unbelievable.
Same as you mate !!! It's the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it ? You don't know what a legal complaint is ? An official statement ? A sworn affidavit ? An injunction ? A court judgement ? Those are evidences I believe, not rumours, whispers or hearsay !! People who turn to Netflix to make their grievances heard make me laugh just like those who believe this BS !!! You want evidences ? Well look on the internet, then. Are you serious ?
The goal post moves every time. You and your ilk are boring as ****. It was asked to get proof of teams disagreeing with the TD, and times/places. That was given. 6 teams did. In press conferences. Now that's not good anymore. You want legal complaints and sworn affidavits. I'm sure if that would be provided you'd then want to hear it in person, and then shrug your shoulders and say it's only 1 out of x. Have a nice life, go annoy other people with the time you have left. You won't get any more of mine. Goodbye.
Disagreeing with a rule change is hardly going to block it, isn't it? If 6 teams objected to the Technical Directive but did nothing about it, apart from jabbering to the media, they have no credibility. But it's a good yarn for the critics to keep repeating "Mercedes was in cahoot with the FIA and told them what to do". In any case, I don't think the TD harmed any team, although some say it affected Ferrari. Like if ! The Ferraris were porpoising too!! Now it's Red Bull at the top, and I guess if they stay long enough, then another army of brainless critics will soon rise accusing them of receiving favours from the FIA too. Alreading I read posts on the forum repeating they are cheating because they win regularly, and this is boring, bla, bla, bla ... Totally unfair in my book.
So lewis now praising Checo saying how hard it must be mentally when RB is actively working against him with their comments (despite checo saying the opposite) and that he's really rooting for him. Wasn't Lewis ****ting on Checo just a few races ago by saying that he would do much better than checo, and that every single one of Lewis' teammates have been better than checo? Sounds like a mexican gp is coming up and someone is trying to buy cheap favour with the local crowd.
There is more than enough evidence against sir and Merc. To change thread title to Hamilton lost all respect.
.......and they say its the Sir Lewis Hamilton fans that keep this thread going. F1 is gonna be so boring and uninteresting when Sir Lewis Hamilton leaves.
If we listen to the usual critics, a "coup d'état" took place at the FIA in 2014, and Mercedes took over. Toto Wolff replaced Jean Todt who was kept under house arrest Place de la Concorde until the end of his mandate. Every rule following that moment was written to benefit solely Mercedes and its #1 driver Hamilton. It's only after 8 years that the Mercedes dictatorship cracked under pressure and relinquished its grip on F1. That's what the story the self-appointed experts here want us to believe.
Good on him, at least he's smart enough to know better than to lose time with trolls.....i wish i was that smart!
It's up to you, mate. Leave it at that, and go fishing (or whatever). Honestly, this thread is going nowhere, and has been for quite sometime. Rgds
