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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Didn't you post a video where Hamilton could have pitted as well but Mercedes left Hamilton out? It compared Max's time to pit?


    @ktu....have you seen this video?
     
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  2. Bas

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    yes he could'\ve
     
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    RB/Max weren't flawless the first half of the season as I just posted possible points Max lost.
     
  4. ktu

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    I don't think I seen it. But it doesn't matter. All pit stops were done within the rules. There is no contreversy surrounding pit stop precedures. RB and others has won many races by staying out and not taking stops. Seems like Mercredes made the right call to stay out. However they didn't know the rules would be changed.
     
  5. jgonzalesm6

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    Of course the video matters. Mercedes and Lewis could have pitted and still come out ahead instead of staying on 39 lap old tires....thereby winning the race.
     
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  6. ktu

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    They didn't have to. If the rules were applied correctly. Sir Lewis Hamilton has won on 3 tires, much less 39 old lap tires. Thats not the point. The point is Mercedes and RB have won many races by staying out on old tires and not giving up track position, based on calculations of safety car rules. No one knew that those rules would change.
     
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    The gamble didn't pay off this time, and luck changed side.
    That's all there was. I see no point having sour grapes about it.
     
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    Exactly. They could've pitted. No one knows how long the SC stays out for. There is no rule that says ''oh an SC? that's minimum 5 laps". Could've been cleared within 3 and Merc looked really stupid.
     
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    @ktu

    Why Lewis Hamilton could have pitted and maintain the lead in Abu Dhabi during the safety car.

     
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  10. ktu

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    I didn't bring up the topic. Obviuosly it didn't pay off. To no fault of Mercedes.
     
  11. william

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    Strategic mistake from Mercedes.
     
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  12. ktu

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    Of course we didn't know. All one can do is rely on the race director to follow the rule book. Turns out the safety car DID take longer. Mercedes DID make the right call, assuming that the safety car rules would be followed. Teams can't make calculations on whether rules would be followed or not.
     
  13. jimmyb

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    Sorry I brought it up…
    The fact is that Masi made a huge error and it decided the 2021 WDC. All this coulda/woulda/shoulda is just noise. And it is disrespectful to Max/Red Bull to suggest that it was Lewis’/MB’s failings rather than their hard work that we ended up here.
     
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    No, there was a VSC during the race and Mercedes didn't bring Hamilton in due to track position so Mercedes left Hamilton out thereby Hamilton having 39 lap old tires at the end of the race.

    Multiple times Mercedes could have brought Hamilton in but Mercedes reasoning was track position for both instances.
     
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    IF Lewis wins a WDC with Ferrari he will be right up there with this chap!Berger and Alboreto
     
  16. ktu

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    This isn't about Mercedes decisions. Or RB decisions. All a team could do is make their decisions based on the safety car rules. Had Mercedes made a decision and the safety car rules were followed, we wouldn't have an issue. Masi did something different with the rules and effected both Merc and RB decisions and the outcome of the race.
     
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    It's about leaving a driver on old tires in both instances.
     
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    Well said, all they have left is bring in woulda coulda scenariuos to cover Masi mistake.
     
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    There were several mitigating factors during the Abu Dhabi 2021 race.....and it solely doesn't rest on Masi's "mistake." (as you put it.)
     
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    Please...if Masi DOESN'T do what he did, who's the 2021 WDC? Hint: initials are LH. There are NO "mitigating factors" that change THAT reality.
    I don't understand why this is SO difficult to grasp.
     
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    I've seen this analysis about 10,000 times. I can see it 10,000 more and it's still flawed in the most basic way:
    It assumes (you know what happens then) that the "hunted" (Hamilton) is driving as hard as the "hunter" (Max). There is NO way that in that sector that Lewis is 5.7 seconds slower than Max if Lewis is driving as hard as he can. Old tires verses new tires do NOT equal 5.7 seconds in that sector. Were that the case, new tires would be worth 30 seconds a lap...
     
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    IF Max didn't have a blowout in Baku, lost the lead in Silverstone, and Bottas ruining Max in Hungary which total a possible 56 points, Max would have won the 2021 title by a considerable margin regardless of what happens at Abu Dhabi 2021.
     
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  23. ktu

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    Man........ they trying not to mention Masi's name as much as possible.
     
  24. jimmyb

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    That's nice...but those things DID happen...it's a silly argument
    Shoulda
    Woulda
    Coulda

    If you want to break down every moment of every race for a season as your "answer", well good luck with that. Things happen in racing.

    Which is WHY Max is the 2021 WDC.
     
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    Yep, I definitely agree with that. We're both acting silly and should accept that Max is the 2021 WDC.
     

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