What is your answer if, at the end of the year, Lewis has more points than George? Probably will go something like this: "Well, Lewis SHOULD beat him" "Well, once they got the car straightened out, Lewis was given the better car" "Etc..."
Obviously your missing the point. Schumacher, after taking time off couldn't ADAPT to the new formula when he drove for Mercedes. Hence his team-mate could. Vettel couldn't ADAPT to the new formula right after winning 4 WDC titles. Hence his team-mates could. Lewis, currently, is having a hard time ADAPTING to the new formula for 2022....hence his team-mate can.
And Button earned more points and a higher WDC finish. I think we can all agree that Lewis is as good a driver as Button.
There are some who would like you to believe that the number of podiums is more important than the number of GP wins! I know which ones the drivers prefer !!
LOL Do podiums matter, or not? You claim that they do, you claim that podiums are NOT one of those "stupid metrics" ... until, of course, it's pointed out that Button had MORE podiums than Hamilton. Once again: do podiums matter, or are podiums one of your "stupid metrics" that cast Hamilton in a bad light?
In TWO separate posts above ... jimmyb claimed that podiums matter, that podiums are NOT one of those "stupid metrics" that are made-up to make Hamilton look bad.
Seriously? "No one is saying that he won ONLY because he had the fastest car" That is the ONLY thing you say...
And we're back to Button and Lewis at McLaren. By now, we all KNOW the stats of those 3 seasons because it is THE talking point for the Lewis haters. So, reality is that Button had 25 podiums to 22 for Lewis. Lewis had 10 wins verses 8 for Button. And NEITHER won the WDC at McLaren.
During their three years together, neither Button nor Hamilton won the WDC. But ... Button had more podiums than Hamilton. Button scored more points, measured over those three years in total, than Hamilton. Button's ranking in the WDC, measured over those three years in total, was higher than Hamilton's. Now ... are these "stupid metrics", just fabricated by "Hamilton haters" to make Hamilton look bad, OR are these legit metrics that "history cares about"? Please make up your mind.
What are the goals of a F1 driver, in order of preference. - Win the GP if not possible - Get on the podium if not possible - Finish in the points It's obvious that GP wins have more value (if only by the number of points they give) than podiums. In fact podiums have not always existed in F1. I remember the time when only the winner was celebrated at the end of a race. I saw several times the winning car and the driver paraded around the track on a flat bed for the spectators to see them. Indianapolis, which sticks to traditions, still doesn't have a podium ceremony after all these years!
OK, here's a HAM vs BUT metric: Hamilton is involved with fashion, music I guess, and various social issues. Button and another guy have a new whiskey business. Obviously, Button is the winner here.
No one, as far as i know, has ever claimed that wins "don't matter" But there are those on this thread, who claim that podiums and WDC ranking also matter ... until it's pointed out that Button outscored Hamilton in these metrics (3 years combined) ... then, suddenly, podiums and WDC ranking become "stupid metrics" that are merely concocted by "hamilton haters" to cast Sir Lewis the Great in a bad light Wins matter. Podiums matter. WDC ranking matters. ---> Over 3 years combined, Button outscored Hamilton in 2 out of 3.
THE talking point? What about when he lost the WDC in his prime to his #2 teammate, the only guy in the field with (at best) equal equipment but consistently running inferior strategy? Is that a stat that matters, or are we supposed to just pretend that didn't happen?
Wrong. Williams was the dominant car in '94 and '95. And MSC's Ferrari wasn't dominant until 2001. PS. It looks like you're frothing at the mouth. It's great entertainment so please continue
We certainly can agree on that. But let's not go into how it was Team Hamilton with Uncle Ron pulling the strings in the background. Button did a solid job despite the in-team focus that favoured Ham.
From 2009 to 2014, Martin Whitmarsh was the team principal at McLaren . Ron Dennis had to step down from that role following the Spygate scandal.
Yes, He wasn't allowed by the FIA to be involved in the F1 team. If you remember he dedicated all in time launching the street car company at that time. Ron Dennis had already achieved his goal by then.
Why is it that I just bring up SIMPLE points and you do the "frothing at the mouth" stupidity? In the end: Lewis is a 7 time WDC. Lewis has won more GP's than anyone in history Lewis has more poles than anyone in history Lewis has more podiums than anyone in history Lewis has the 3rd highest winning percentage all time (behind Fangio and Ascari) These are the facts of his career. No one even comes close. Be mad, come up with any STUPID METRIC you want, in the end, Lewis' place in F1 history is secure and inarguable. PS. Ricciardo outscored Max in their 2.5 years as teammates. I suppose YOU think Daniel is the better driver? Right... So, explain to me why the Jenson/Lewis team stats show that Lewis is something less than his career record shows, BUT Daniel/Max shows that Max is better. MAKE UP YOUR MIND what metric you want to use because NO ONE thinks Ricciardo is better than Max, BUT you guys hold up Button/Hamilton as PROOF that Lewis is NOT what his career record CLEARLY says he is. Russell Westbrook has averaged a "Triple Double" for a season 4 times...Michael Jordan never did that once. So, I guess Russell Westbrook is better... Except Michael won 6 NBA titles and Russ won....NONE. Just like Lewis has 7 WDC's and Button has ONE.
You're still frothing and trying to impose your view onto others. Excellent Vettel has more WDC's than Senna. So Vettel must be "greater" than Senna LOL Maybe you Hamfans would be less frothy if Ham was beating the Mercedes newbie George
