Hamilton v Rosberg Thread

Maybe "relied" was the wrong word....I meant "he was helped by" or "part of the succes is" a superior car. Intention was that it is not a one-man show. And yes, it applies on Vettel, Schumacher or Senna as well but apart from Senna I doubt you would have heard a comment like this from any of them. And yes, I would have not liked it from either of them either...

Well that is what he did...

If he has that self-confidence it is good for him and might even help him in this business but I do not like this kind of self-display. And it is strange that we hear these comments now despite the fact that he is massivly helped by a superior car, I do not remember hearing these comments in that way when he was driving for McLaren. This sounds to me that Hamilton has a shifted look on how much of the success is him and how much is the car.

 

Yes the key word being "relied" ..fair enough.

Obviously a good car is a given for clinching a title, and that is a team sport, Newey flexi wings helped Vettel, Brawn's DD diffuser helped Button.. Nigel Stepney helping Mclaren and so on

 

Exactly my point...Thanks

 

Uh oh, are you saying eltons first championship was marred by Nigel stepneys underhanded spying? Oh dear, reckon you may just have let the mantle slip

ELTON FIRST TITLE A FARCE - down to stolen data !

Yay, thanks steve, made my evening!

 

The brat is on a massive ego trip.

He believes his own BS. no class at all.

 

The guy is a 3 times world champion for pete's sake. Who wouldn't believe their own hype in that situation? Is he meant to be a hermit or something?

 

Look up your history, Mclaren did not win a WDC in 2007, sorry to slash on your chips..

 

Forget it mate, like he cares what some keyboard warrior thinks

 

Well, we didn't have that kind of behaviour from previous 3 times world champions, did we?

Brabham, Stewart, Lauda, Piquet, Senna, Prost or Vettel behaved sensibly after 3 crowns, didn't they?

What's wrong with the Stevenhage kid then, that he thinks he is the new messiah?

 

Well, from what i have seen, both MB drivers are cry babies. Nico is utterly destroyed by Hamilton.

As for Hamilton's behaviour, i don't think he's professional enough. The cap throwing incident, in my view, was really disrespectful. I mean, that dude just lost the championship and you throw him a 2nd place cap? What's wrong with going over, handshake, and then handover the cap?

Call me old school, but i've never seen this even during the Hakkinen-Schumacher era. That was classy.

 

Mika Häkkinen had class in spades. Probably one of the most classy World Champion there ever was. A completly different dimension.

Rgds

 

2008 car washeavily influenced by the 2007 car, once they had the info, they incorporated it. Get YOUR facts right

 

+1

+1Top bloke

IMO it was something and nothing, yes Hamilton maybe should have let Nico cool his jets and done nothing, on the other hand Nico could have been more gracious in defeat.

Oh ok ....I'am sorry I haven't read your book, Everything you want to know about F1, when did you publish it. ?

Let me know next time you visit planet earth...

 

You seem to know what's what. What was in the McLarens of those years that came from the Ferrari information?

 

As you will know, mclaren copied, and were able to assess, most of the tech spec of the Ferrari, and therefore in 2007 thru to the next regulation change, the information they procured was incorporated into their design where relevant, and discarded where they may have had other solutions they felt were better.

It is no good you and kraftwerk trying to malign me, I would imagine I do know at least as much as either of you.

Trying to pick fault to cover his mistakes is kraftwerk's way. I never said anything about 2007, I would have thought anyone would have realised eltons first title was 2008, so I must be talking about that one in the original comment.

I think kraftwerk rides the very line between acceptable comment and personal attack more often than not, I would probably suggest that if you recognise that, others might avoid being drawn into the games he plays as at some point, mods will take action.

The comments made by some to try to undermine posts I make have no influence whatsoever on me, as I have total and absolute confidence in what I post, and am more than capable to arguing them IF the questions are sensible and not just more blah blah Elton blah blah

 

Careful now as having a opinion here is often like 43,560 square feet filled with 1,000,000 IED's.

 

+1

 

Sorry, but you have not answered the question, just made another unsubstantiated assertion. You say you have confidence in what you post so presumably can tell us what components in the McLaren were based on the Ferrari information, or alternatively point us in the direction of some evidence.

 

The evidence is public domain, look it up yourself, I'm not your employee, and I couldn't care less how you feel about it. It's fact

 

I know, some pretty fragile egos around here it seems. Trouble is, they don't seem to realise that no one cares as much as they themselves seem to, certainly not enough to go delving deeply into things just to satisfy their ridiculous arguments.

 

It is a debate forum, Sid. Normally when presenting a point of view, it's customary to substantiate it when it's examined - that's pretty much the whole point of having a debate.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

I didn't debate it, I made a statement Andrew, I'm not interested in pages of explanations that are in the public domain. If mclaren did not access and evaluate Ferrari data, then are the FIA planning on refunding the multi million dollar fine? No they are not. If anyone believes that a car developed by mclaren which got faster through the year having had the benefit of evaluating the Ferrari tech specs did not utilise that information and incorporate it into their own systems and components, then they must be mad.

It was proven in court that mclaren used and evaluated the information, hence the fine

 

Let me help you out.

"In its decision of 13 September 2007, the WMSC instructed the FIA Technical Department to conduct an investigation of the preparatory work by McLaren on its 2008 car to determine whether that car incorporates any confidential Ferrari information," an FIA statement read.”

"So we will be looking for the ideas. The investigation will be thorough and it will use outside experts. We will do everything we possibly can to make sure that neither of the McLarens has any element of Ferrari intellectual property in it. Or, if it does, we will then have to consider taking some sort of action. That would not necessarily prevent them from running, it would be more likely that they would be given a negative point allocation."

"This investigation has been concluded and a detailed report submitted to the WMSC.”

“McLaren have vowed to cease development work on the parts that could have been inspired by Ferrari knowledge, and the FIA stated on Thursday night that it was now willing to bring the matter to a close.”

 

Thanks Ian, I think that settles it as regards to the facts!, outlandish opinions, well that's another matter ..