The reason no one has got any answers is the problem!! Ask the millionaire aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting perverted rhino named MAX.
As Nicky Lauder said, all the current F1 drivers are in competition with LH for the drivers championship. So of course its in there interest to want him relegated. Its strange how there are a large number of ex F1 drivers who dont agree with the ruleing.
Its strange but for all of the years of F1 racing and all of the drivers that have driven thru curves, why is it that Hambone get a penalty for it. If the ruling is not reversed , I hope no one kills themselves over this.
that says the FIA tells us tomorrow that the case is not valid and that Hamilton doesn't get his points back.. If they did give him the points back it would be ruling against their own employees which shows how incompetent they really are and any governing agency can't have that. They will deny it and move on...
The radio transcript stated: Ryan: 'Do you believe that was okay? He gave the position back.' Whiting: 'I believe it was. Yes.' Ryan: 'You believe it was okay.' Whiting: 'I believe it was okay.' If it were me, having learned to be more specific when preparing contracts, if I were Ryan, I would have then said, "who can tell me for certain if it is OK?" But then, Ryan has the rule book, he should know who has the final word. Right? To use the word "believe" is rather wishy washy, it indicates you do not know for certain. That would create a red flag for me and the need for further clarification. Big BIG difference between "I believe it was OK" and "It was OK". Obviously even McLaren felt there could be an issue, that is why they asked the question of Whiting. If it were a clean situation, no questions would have been raised. Does anyone here know what the rule book states as to who has the final authority in these matters, Whiting or the stewards??? As for the comment about Niki Lauda stating that all the drivers are in competition with Hamilton for the championship, that was true the first race or two of the season. At this point, it is not the case, so that point is really ridiculous. As for the former drivers, unless they were made privy to the information the stewards have, their comments are unfounded. I don't take anything these codgers say seriously. Don't get me wrong, I do not think a penalty for an unclear rule should be given at the time of the first incident, it should be used as a "from now on" guideline. I just do not have in front of me all of the information used by the stewards. Neither does anyone else here have that information. So I will wait until I see the transcripts. I just do not believe that the stewards would have made such a decision knowing how unpopular it would be, and how it would be viewed under a microscope, unless they had information to support their position. But anything is possible.
You just cant help your self can you? As i said in my PM to you. And now i will say on public forum. Don't interfere or even talk to me and i will return the favour.
Hamilton may have been 6.7 km slower at the line, but how was that the previous laps? secondly, i disagree hamilton would have taken kimi at the first corner again if he didnt gain an advantage, the straight is to short for that. he would have passed him after eau rouge or later on in the race, 95% convinced of that!
Remeber that all those monitors are live. He only has two eyes. Maybe he was looking at a babe in the stands or sneezing that that time. Maybe the producer was not showing that shot at that time. Yes the stewards set up at that chicane would have the final say as in all the races.
Kimi was having traction problems and braking early. Hamilton didn't pass him under power, he passed him under braking. Had he ducked in behind Kimi, he would have been in the same situation coming out of the turn as he was coming out of the previous turn... and he would have done the same thing he did going into the chicane... which was outbrake Kimi and pass him.
The FIA will not allow the appeal tomorrow... After the race they then clarified the rules, which means Hamilton would have gotten the penalty had they clarified the rules in the beginning which tells me his appeal is toast.
Good point, The person watching on the monitor only has the camera view. The stewarts have the best view, plus the sounds of the cars and who lifted and who did not. They are able to follow the action thru the turn, and usually there is at least three people working the corner. Three sets of trained eyes, and to be in that position to work a F1 race, you need many events under your belt.
The answers to your questions are all either obvious, unknowable or irrelevant. For years upon years upon years, the standard has been that if you cut a chicane and pass someone, you give the position back. That is how it has always worked. There are countless examples of cars cutting the chicane and passing, giving the spot back, and sometimes making the pass again on the next turn - and in every instance, the only requirement for the chicane cutting was to give back the position. A vast majority of fans agree the penalty was wrong, as well as a majority of F1 insiders (drivers, team owners, journalists, etc). It's a foregone conclusion that the majority of people on F-chat are going to like the penalty... this is the same forum where Hamilton is said not to be a great driver, to be arrogant and where lines like "unless you are personally knowledgeable, you're just an armchair QB who knows nothing" (spoken on a regular basis by you, Ron) are ignored when people who don't know Lewis are flaming him and claiming to be right even in the presence of people who do know him and say he's a nice and humble guy. It's a given that the man who has whipped Ferrari this year is not going to get a fair shake on a Ferrari site. The bottom line is that the majority of the world disagrees with the penalty and the majority of the clued-in F1 world disagrees with it too. I can not recall any other penalty ever for a driver cutting a chicane but then giving the position back. To suggest that the drivers are remiss if they don't investigate every possible permutation of the meaning of an unclear rule is just ridiculous. The drivers should follow the rules as written, and if the FIA has written them and made them unclear, it's absurd to expect the drivers to live up to their intent if their intent is not clear and has been misinterpreted through years and years of interpreting the rules one way, only to re-interpret them a different way for Hamilton and McLaren. That the rules are selectively (or haphazardly) enforced is crystal clear from Massas penalty... $10k for his pit lane violation whereas Senna gets a drive-through for *exactly* the same thing. It is impossible to say there is not either bias or ineptitude in implementing the rules, because it is blindingly obvious to anyone who is willing to see what is before their very eyes. When the penalties vary but only after a long delayed deliberation by stewards until post-race, and calls back to the FIA HQ, it makes most unbiased fans belive there is clear meddling involved. ...unless those eyes are covered with rossa colored glasses, of course.
Quote: The bottom line is that the majority of the world disagrees with the penalty and the majority of the clued-in F1 world disagrees with it too. I can not recall any other penalty ever for a driver cutting a chicane but then giving the position back. Response: So I guess most Ferrari fans aren't clued in? Again I bet that tomorrow Hamilton still loses his points and he get's a 10 spot grid penalty...
Most of the F1 drivers quoted said the penalty was harsh but them's the rules. ITV also said during Monza that Lewis found NO support in the paddock for the incident at Spa. Race control runs the race and the Stewards adjudicate it from what I see. Also its probably true Charlie Whiting had the Stewards look at the incident after Mclaren asked for its review from him. They asked because they know he DIDNT brake after cutting the chicane but accelerated, also quoted in the UK media as LH's words. Lewis thought it was unfair for him to have to decel much. His mindset was NOT the one to yield. He drives aggressively and gains penalties in the process. I do know that is racing but so are penalties for mistakes. Does he win this? Who knows. I dont see why he would. Mclaren themselves asked about the incident indicating their own doubts about his handling of it on the track. No matter its still a great year and its a close race for the title, scripted or not One more thing, if LH wins, good for him and its on to Singapore or whatever race follows the announcement. You make the best of the system presented to you. I will not throw that in anyones face for predicting that. I hope people dont call each other out here if he loses. Its just racing. Im a fan and it doesnt pay my bills. I have an opinion, "could wrong......I could be right" As stated by PIL and Johnny Rotten
It stinks, its a scripted joke . I hope that steward eating free food in Italian eating houses chokes. good taste in music if nothing else mate..
Why don't you fill out your profile so we all can understand who it is that utters such expert F1 information with such intelligence. Your master of the English language dazzles us all. Afterall, the rest of us don't have a clue.
