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Do you believe Ferrari felt on average Dinos had different size drivers than 308's?

Better still, how about using your size during alignments,, or is that a bad idea?

 

Tony, since I don't have any factory published manuals (or their copies) for Dinos, do I understand you correctly that 246 service/work shop manuals don't have any suspension/steering alignment specs ?

P.S. I've always used 175-180 lbs reference to each occupant whenever performing alignment and/or ride height adjustments on any and all (vintage) cars.
Rest of the non-present but required weights can be determined with a scale and equivalent amounts of ballast added accordingly.

 

Detailed specs are in the owners manual.

Ferrari does not always give weights for simulating passengers but when they do all I have seen is 75kg. Sometimes they say 60kg in the seat and 15 on the floor.

 

I have the Ferrari Service bulletin that sets the specs for toe in, caster and camber, along with torque specs.

 

Possibly given the size of the seats in the 246 compared to the 308!

I did set up the car using our combined weight.

Tony

 

Thanks Dave, I do have that TB, only states 2 passengers + fuel etc. No weight given.

Tony

 

Timo
I dont see any reference in any of the technical details or in the TB d m stuff kindly posted up that specify an exact weight, only 2 + fuel etc. I have added a few kg since it was last done but my recent trip out didnt flatten her tyres!!

Its a real positive to get the alignment checked every 5 years. It always needs tweaking to get the car to handle as it should. Steering is much sharper and precise.

Best
Tony

 

Thanks.
It appears general reference to fully laden/static load weights include spare tire/wheel and tool kit* (like in my Daytona shop manual), but interestingly (at least to me) no mention of correct ride height, which are noted in my Daytona & 330 GTC manuals, although IMO (as I've mentioned previously on several occasions) most Daytonas do not appear to have been originally able to meet that engineered equation and many still today seem far off, essentially creating quite in-accurate/-correct dynamic steering & suspension geometry.

* @TonyL, please read/see top of the first page of Dave's SAT doc copies.

 

I have....!

The dino manual does state ground clearance of 125mm with 2 people + 20kg of baggage.
Consistency is not one of Ferraris best traits
Best

Tony

 

???
Measured how/where ?
Just curious.

Ain’t that the truth.

 

At 4 min in video fuel percolation start at 45 deg

 

Ground clearance is self explanatory, data is for checking shocks i reckon.

 

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I guess I’m too used to expect more precisely indicated ride height related measuring point(s), which in case of Daytonas, 330 GTCs & numerous other, non-Ferrari vintage cars I’ve worked on are quite specific, if/when provided by their respective manufacturers.

“Ground clearance” without further details seems rather vague and more so if/when used to indicate (fully loaded) ride height in a coach built Italian sports car expected to provide above average handling at higher speeds.

OTOH, one can always try setting it in 2-3 different ways and road test to find one best suited for their preference.

 

As you say its rather vague but i didnt write the manual!

I would take ride height to be from bottom of door cill on a level platform / ground.

 

Understood, but I would personally choose/use some frame tube section(s), perhaps at vicinity of (front & rear ?) lower A-arms or (front/rear) cross members since the coach work construction on Scaglietti built bodies are generally known to be far from symmetric, whether comparing car-to-car or one side-to-another.

 

Agreed but they quote actual ride height not a reference point and the cills/ underbelly pan would be the lowest part of the car fully laden, A arms are above the chassis members. Just my opinion / interpretation Timo
Tony

 

No problem Tony, but I find the lack of specific reference points, especially nothing directly relatable to suspension geometry kind of moot.
On most cars I've worked on, the ride height and its relation to proper steering/suspension geometry is usually established/measured at or near front and rear suspension components or attachment points on both sides.
Given that Ferrari provided such vital specifics for other models like Daytona & 330 GTC, I' m just surprised they didn't for Dinos, that's all.

 

Totally agree Timo, but I havent seen anything in any manual what I would call "conclusive" Even the TB was vague.
Best
Tony