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Has the Enzo or the F50 or the F40 ever been on Nordschleife

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by ascari_2, Oct 11, 2005.

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  1. ascari_2

    ascari_2 Karting

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    Just as the topis says and what are the best correspoding lap times.

    Thanks
     
  2. Charlesgt2

    Charlesgt2 Karting

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    They don't really talk much about it.
    Ferrari is one of the few that dont take their cars to the Ring for whatever reason.

    Anyone know why?
     
  3. F50

    F50 Karting

    Dec 24, 2003
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    hopefully some owners have done it
     
  4. Carrera_gtcrazy

    Carrera_gtcrazy F1 Veteran

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    Im quite sure private owners have, but Ferrari doesn't put there cars to the test on the N-ring
     
  5. lateralus

    lateralus Karting

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    My guess is probably some private owners have driven the ring but haven't tried to squeeze the best lap time possible out of it. I haven't heard a lap time for the Enzo and if it ever recorded a good lap time it would have been all over the internet by now. Having said that, of course I have never driven either of the three cars, but I imagine it would take massive talent and skill to push the F50 and especially the F40 at the ring compared to the Enzo and if nobody's done the Enzo yet it's hard to say if anybody would try an F40 or F50. Hopefully somebody can confirm/argue against that.
     
  6. Challenge64

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    Ive seen F40s on the track when I lived in Munich..Several owners took them for a jaunt during the Nurburgring Oldtimer Fest every year that I was there...

    But sorry...Im not really that helpful...as I didnt clock em...at least those Germans are out driving their cars
     
  7. lateralus

    lateralus Karting

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    Thanks, I was saying that I'm pretty sure people have driven these cars on the ring, but I think pushing the best possible lap times out of them is a completely different story.
     
  8. judge4re

    judge4re F1 World Champ

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    As to why Ferrari doesn't "test" their cars on the track, you do know that Ferrari owns two test track much closer to "home", right?
     
  9. Pagani16

    Pagani16 Formula 3

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    The nurburgring is a test against some of the best sports cars in the world.
     
  10. ascari_2

    ascari_2 Karting

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    Well I realize that Ferrari has a test track in its own back yard, but practically every car manufacturer tries to prove itself on the ring and I am sure it is probably one of the most well known tracks around. Most top tuners also run their cars there to see how they stack up. I am pretty surprised that Ferrari hasn't tried to position itself in the ring's rankings. I don't think that Ferrari would lose face at all if it did not come in at the top. There is a lot of very good competition. I think Ferrari would only have to gain out of this unless their cars would be REALLY slow which I don't think would be the case.
     
  11. Charlesgt2

    Charlesgt2 Karting

    Mar 16, 2004
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    Ferrari doesn't take their cars to the ring, b/c they wouldn't do that well.
    Walter Rohl had a 430 at the ring a few weeks ago, and he was disappointed with the results.

    Ferraris,unlike their F1 cars have always been poor track performers.
    The 360 is the first to break that mold, they truly have minimal track experience, and it shows in their products.
    Most owners don't care though b/c the majority of Ferrari's purchased are garage queens and cafe racers anyways.
    It would basically not be a contest if they brought their cars to the ring.
    They'd be undermined by "lesser" cars and thats why they "test" them only on their "private track" to save themselves -and I'm not being sarcastic when I say this - the embarassment.

    C
     
  12. the_jay

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    Wouldn't surprise me to see the Enzo on top as far as Ring times go, if they did opt to test it.
     
  13. sixcarbs

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    Ferrari doesn't take their cars there because they don't care, they have nothing to prove. They are Ferrari, their name and record speaks for itself. If there is a class they want to dominate, they will. Right now their main focus is Formula 1.

    Ferrari rarely runs ads for their cars. I have some sort of ad copy from the 80's. It says, "We are the competition." That's it.

    It reminds of several other one sided rivalries. I have lived in the San Francisco area for 20 years now. People up here get their panties in a bunch when they talk about LA and Southern California, like there is some rivalry. If you ask someone from Southern Cal about the Bay Area they'll probably just tell you it's a nice place and move on.

    Ferrari and their fans don't have any inferiority complex, they are the one EVERYONE wants to compare themselves to. Their name is invoked by the competition more than any other as a benchmark.

    Porsche and everyone else can keep mass producing cars and SUV's. No matter how fast they go, they will never be a Ferrari.
     
  14. ffv

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    Well said.
     
  15. Gian Marco Bottega

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    The Enzo,F50,F40 has never had an official time clocked around the N-ring.
    Why not? As stated above Ferrari dont have too.

    CharlesGT2,you talking out your ass.You obviously a Porsche fan.So lets take them as an example.Porsche and Walter,practically live at the N-ring.Porsches are completly developed around it and setup for it and are obviously fast there.
    The GT2,which has twin turbos and is significantly more powerful than a 360 CS, did a 7.46 min lap.The 360 CS did a 7.56 min lap. Thats only 1.2 secs per minute slower. You call that embarrassing?I'll tell you whats embarrassing, the Porsche 959 losing 10 + secs in a 1 min 20 sec lap to a F40 at Fiorano,with uncle Walter at the wheel.
    IMO the Enzo would be slightly faster than the Carrera GT ie 7.32

    What other cars embarrass Ferrari according to you?
     
  16. Ferrari330P4

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    wha..are you...arrg...****....*head explodes*
     
  17. Lexdiamonnyc

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    maybe the Ferrari just doesn't like Germans and their silly Ring.
    me on the other hand, i luv it!!.....a few years ago a friend rented a 355b, we went 2 laps(not timed or anything, just for fun) it was crazy, i was scared for my life, but had the biggest sh*t eating grin on my face!! it was awesome!!
     
  18. Manuma

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    They does!
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  19. Ingenere

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    Ferrari traditionally has never pitted their road cars against the competition....and I hate to say, its because they are generally down on HP and technology as compared to their contemporaries.

    They have responded somewhat with the 360....which is a contemporary car and competitive with others made during the same production time. The 430 was an abvious answer to the Gallardo and everyone elses 500hp cars.

    They are still beautiful ...........a bit less exotic with the newer cars, but works of art ALL.
     
  20. iceburns288

    iceburns288 Formula 3

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    I doubt the production car with the most HP and the most downforce would really do badly on the track. Yall are forgetting one thing...

    The Nurburging is one of the oldest tracks in the world, and as such, it's definitely the bumpiest. Ferraris have been tuned to the glasslike surface Fiorano, where they run daily. Most of the tracks they run at in Italy are very flat, especially when compared to the Nurburgring. Ferraris just don't do well at that track in particular because they're too stiff and too low and cause all sorts of problems, particularly the Enzo.
     
  21. SSNISTR

    SSNISTR F1 Veteran

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    Dude, you are the most clueless person on this board.
    Such a P *** fan boy it's a joke.
     
  22. ascari_2

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    (Discalimer, I am not here to deffend one car over another, no flames intended in anyones direction)

    I realize that a Ferrari is more of a work of art then it is an automobile and that is one reason that not many cars will ever come close to it or surpass it. But what seems a little weird to me though is that when a scenario of lesser priced and not so exotic cars being faster in say a straight line, that is usually accompanied by "the Ferrari is a track car and not a straight line car", I am sure many of you have heard this. Now this may very well be true, and I am not here to doubt that the Enzo could possibly post the best time for the ring, but why not compare yourself to the rest and show what you're really made of.

    There were really only a few reasons I asked this question. 1. I wanted to see the progression of technology with Ferrari itself and see how much difference there really is between the supercars of the past and today. I remember reading a Forza with a great article comparing an F40 to the F50. Numbers like acceleration, braking, and Gs speak very little, but when all that is combined in a long track a much clearer picture emerges. 2. I wanted to compare the numbers of these supercars to numbers that were achieved by higher production vehicles that were tuned by tuners, both European and Japanese.
     
  23. GTB4NART

    GTB4NART Formula Junior

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    I think this track would be WAYYYY scary in an Enzo. While I've never driven an enzo, it was bumpy in my Open rental car at 100 mph. I know what it's like to hit a bumpy turn in a TR at speed and that's a handful! No doubt Ferrari chooses not go there because the track is so bad that they don't want to kill their driver or someone else in a slow moving Opel.

    Didn't the F40 in the Australia open road race get into a bumpy section at speed and kill a bunch of people? Supercars tend to not steer so well when the tires are off the ground!

     
  24. Ulmis

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    PLEASEEE do not reply when you are on crack !!!!!

    Ferrari down on HP and technology ?

    Go and read some more than coma back .
     
  25. Malfoy

    Malfoy Formula 3

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    You're kidding me right? Ferrari and their fans don't have an inferiority complex. Really I hope that was a joke. I love my ferraris, don't get me wrong, and my first or second exotic car will definitely be one. But really, Ferrari is the Harvard of cars (I love you Ryalex :) ). They aren't ALWAYS(and thats the keyword) the best, but whenever they fall short on the review, the loyalists look to what they were to justify who they are until someone puts them back on top again.

    *Puts on flame suit and preps for the attempted roasting*
     

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