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  1. vv23

    vv23 Formula Junior

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    #1 vv23, Jul 6, 2014
    Hey

    I searched and can't seem to find an answer to my shifting problem. I'm wondering if anyone has experienced similar symptoms. My car is a 2000 Ferrari 360 Modena F1

    It shifts fine 75% of the time, but randomly when I am at a stop light it will do one of two things:

    1- The car will rev to like 2500rpm before it slowly starts to creep forward. Thereafter the RPMs will jump between shifts. Almost seems like the clutch is being released very slowly.

    2- the engine will shut off when I press the gas. The lights will all stay on though. I have to turn the key off, wait for the beeps to all stop, then turn it back on and it will shift and drive perfect again.

    Lately its been having a bit of delay getting into 3rd gear on downshifts also.

    I was getting a P0806 code and replaced the F1 sensor which didn't fix anything.

    Any help?
     
  2. BSU

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    #2 BSU, Jul 6, 2014
    Have not heard of these issues before.

    Is there a good shop close by? I would go ahead and get it checked out.
     
  3. Michaelzeiss

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    #3 Michaelzeiss, Jul 6, 2014
    Does this light come on? If it does, your clutch might be coming to an end of its life or you might need a clutch adjustment to prolong. My mechanic told me that if the RPM is high but your not moving, it's your clutch. Image Unavailable, Please Login


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  4. Michaelzeiss

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    #4 Michaelzeiss, Jul 6, 2014
    You might wanna get yourself a ODB scanner. It helps big time and tells you what's wrong.


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  5. steelej

    steelej Formula Junior

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    #5 steelej, Jul 6, 2014
    An OBD scanner won't give you access to the gearbox errors. OBD is only worthwile with a CEL light.

    John.
     
  6. Michaelzeiss

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    #6 Michaelzeiss, Jul 6, 2014
    Yeah but if there's any errors, mechanical or not,it gets recorded in the ECU.


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  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #7 tazandjan, Jul 6, 2014
    Michael- That is the F1 warning lamp and it is an indication something is wrong with the F1 system, not just the clutch. Could be a bunch of things, potentiometer, angular speed sensor, clutch, air in system, etc. OBDII will not show F1 faults unless it is one passed to the Motronic like 1740, bad ground. In general, other F1 faults will not show on an OBDII reader and you need an SD2 to help anaylze, repair and reset any faults.
     
  8. Michaelzeiss

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    #8 Michaelzeiss, Jul 6, 2014
    I stand corrected. Just that when I had this same problem, my mechanic told me that my clutch is almost at its end of its life after plugging his, ODB or possibly his SD2 on my F430. Either way I need a new clutch.

    In either case I'm trying to help out vv23 problem because I had similar case.


    Sent from my Ferrari F430 & 360
     
  9. vv23

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    #9 vv23, Jul 6, 2014
    I had the car scanned by Ferrari and the only code that showed was the p0806 clutch position sensor. And even then it doesn't always come on when there is a problem. I replaced the sensor. The clutch life read at 76 percent remaining.

    No other warnings.

    I'm starting to think maybe there is just air in the system or a fluid change is necessary. Are there any DIY on this?
     
  10. DrDon

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    #10 DrDon, Jul 6, 2014
    Yes SD2 or SD3 for F1 problems.

    ODBii scanners will only hep with CEL as Taz stated. Other than a Leonardo, I don't know of any aftermarket tools which can read Ferrari specific codes from the other ECUs.
     
  11. vv23

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    #11 vv23, Jul 8, 2014
    Okay My problem is weirder now.

    After installing the new F1 sensor, the F1 pump doesn't prime up when the driver's door opens. I can start the car and drive it however. Drives fine. Took it out for 25 mins or so the other day.

    I thought maybe the F1 pump doesn't work, so I disconnected the electrical connector to it, started the car and the transmission light turned on and the car wouldn't shift. Plugged it back in and restarted the car and it shifted fine. I did the same thing with the Relay behind the passenger seat and it triggered the light and a warning.

    I then put my hand on the F1 pump (plugged back in) while the car was idling in neutral and every couple mins or so I can feel it vibrate strongly for a few specs (couldn't really hear it though).

    So the Relay works, the F1 pump vibrates, the Car shifts and drives...... but the Pump doesn't turn on at all when I open the door anymore.

    Any ideas?
     
  12. 993man

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    #12 993man, Jul 8, 2014
    If in doubt I always do a battery reset and it usually fixes anything.

    I'm no mechanic but this works for me.
     
  13. vv23

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    #13 vv23, Jul 9, 2014
    I tried to reset the battery... no luck

    I can hear and feel the pump working when the car is idling and it drives fine with no warning lights.


    Just don't know why it doesn't turn on when you open the drivers door anymore
     
  14. tazandjan

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    #14 tazandjan, Jul 10, 2014
    Graham- Battery reset for F1 problems usually does nothing and can erase data a tech needs to diagnose the problem.

    If there is pressure in the accumulator when you open the door, the pump will likely not come on. That is really only a valid concern if it does not come on after sitting overnight and F1 pressure has bled down.

    Take her to someone with an SD2 who knows what they are doing. Most of us, except a few of the pros, are just whistling Dixie on F1 issues without SD2 help.
     
  15. English Rebel

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    #15 English Rebel, Jul 11, 2014
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    It's very unlikely that the F1 pump would not run when the door is open (unless it ran within the last 10 minutes. Mine can sit for about that length of time and not run but any longer than that and certainly overnight it will always run. I can't imaging that the system would hold 800 PSI overnight. It sounds as if that is what the OP's car is doing but don't you think that is unlikely?
    Alan
     
  16. Skidkid

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    #16 Skidkid, Jul 11, 2014
    And we are generally bad whistlers.
     
  17. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #17 tazandjan, Jul 11, 2014
    Alan- Affirmative, but the pressure will stay up for a while if no shifts are made to deplete it with the engine off. Overnight? No.
     

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