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  1. Labman

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    My y-pipe heat shield on the right side is rattling. It is driving my absolutely nuts! Removed the airboxes and muffler heat shield to find out where that annoying sound was coming from. Grabbed the heat shield on the y-pipe and it is loose. Its loose right behind the coupler where it attaches to the header. Anybody have this problem and how do I fix it w/out removing it from the car? It is interfering with the symphony I want to hear emanating from my exhaust!
     
  2. JohnsonsMedia

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    can you only hear it from the drivers side and it starts around 3500RPM and up when on it hard?
     
  3. Labman

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    Coming from the passenger side heat shield. It's loose. At all RPM's. Accelerating and decelerating. Not the by-pass valve! Is there a high heat epoxy I can stuff between the shield and the pipe?
     
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    #4 spaghetti_jet, May 21, 2011
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    I'm assuming that you're talking about the heatsheild above the inboard CV boot, and also that it's not actually broken -- in which case it's an easy fix to tighten it up. There are 2 13mm nuts which hold the bracket to the diff casing and on top, 2 10mm nuts which attach the heatshield to the bracket. Tighten those and you're good to go.

    Check that the 10mm nuts have a flat washer and a shakeproof washer on under the nut.

    the order is flat washer, shakeproof, nut.

    Don't bother with nylock since that area is too hot for nylock nuts to live.

    IF that's the source of the tizz
     
  5. Labman

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    #5 Labman, May 21, 2011
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    Sorry if I sound stupid...what and where is the inboard CV boot? In the attached diagram, it is the by-pass tube (#4) heat shield that is rattling (pretty sure as it is loose). Seems like the packing that was in there may have come out.
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  6. eyboro

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    use a clamp on the heat shield, that should solve your problem.
     
  7. Chris Honeywell

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    Sorry but recently having my 355 in bits i know that i have no heat shield attached to the bypass pipe, being in the UK maybe mine is slightly different, having said that the diagram you have posted is exactly what mine is like..

    Also you should have a heat shield directly above each rear inner CV boot.
     
  8. spaghetti_jet

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    agree fully withthe post above, no other heatshields. If you've got "packing" blowing around then you might have a blown manifold.

    If you don't know what a CV boot is then I suggest (with all respect) you get the car looked at by someone else.
     
  9. Labman

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    Definitely a bit disrespectful. Listen...I am not a mechanic by any means. But I do have a good general knowledge on how things on my Ferrari work (which, by the way, I have only had for about 9 mos, and is my first Ferrari). I learn by doing and investigating. I am not afraid to pick up tools and tinker around a bit looking for a rattle that is coming from my exhaust somewhere. So that being said, since you couldn't tell me what a CV boot was, I found out on my own that it is the heat shield that covers the rubber axle "bellows" going into the differential.

    Spaghetti jet suggested I check these out and I found the driver side to be rattling a bit when I push it down and let it go. I will tighten the screws up and see if that is another source of my rattle.

    Thanks for the input guys. This is why I am a member of FChat. The wealth of knowledge here is priceless. But you need to cut us "non-experts" a break!
     
  10. Labman

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    That probably would work. What clamp would I use...just a basic muffler clamp?
     
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    #11 eyboro, May 22, 2011
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    This is the type of clamps I used as I had the same rattle from the heat shield on ypipe like in the picture (that is if you are reffering to the same one). $5 fix
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  12. spaghetti_jet

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    No disrespect was intended. There are enough knuckle heads on the Internet and I don't intend to join them. If you feel confident enough to work on your own car then that's what counts.
     
  13. Labman

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    Ahhh!!! Easy enough. Exactly where my rattle is coming from. Thanks for the suggestion.
     
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    I did the hose clamp trick until the next time my car was at Ferrari of Seattle, where they added a couple tack welds to fix it properly, and I could remove the hose clamp. ;) This was about four years ago...
     
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    #15 SMOKDU, May 23, 2011
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    i Had the same sound and after using my electric scope it turned out to be a bad cat. the inside came loose and rattled at 3500 rpm. check by taking out your rear 02 (on the cat) and feel inside and see if you can move the core. (cold) i could feel it with my finger. fixed it and no more sound. just another rattle to look for might not be your problem.

    good luck.
     
  16. TheRossatron

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    I've traced a rattle exactly the same part on my car, my history also shows that's it's been spot welded before. Anyone know what size of clamp is required?
     
  17. Labman

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    Ugh... I hope it's not a cat. During the major the Ferrari mechanic inspected both cats and they were OK. That was about 10 mos ago. Also have receipts that the cats were both replaced some years ago. I'm hoping it is just the heat shield. Pretty sure it is but I will check out my cat as you suggest.
     
  18. f355spider

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    It is not the cat. If the cat was rattling and failing you would also have a "check engine" light illuminated and a "low catalyst efficiency" code stored in the Motronic.
     
  19. JohnsonsMedia

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    thanks to this thread i found that the cat shield on mine was also loose, and in one area separating. I will be doing the clamp trick as well today. I will let you all know if it works.

    Kyle
     
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    #20 Labman, May 23, 2011
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    Just went to Pep Boys and bought a hose clamp like the one that eyboro posted that can be tightened from 3.5" to 2.5'. Opened it up completely then wrapped it around the heat shield right at the place where it ends on the y-pipe. Attached the ends together and screwed it down as tight as I could go. The shield is now snug. Can't move it at all with my hands. Would take it for a test drive but of course it's raining here again in NY so it's going to have to wait. May want to sell my Fcar and buy a boat!

    I will post an update after I take it out for a ride.
     
  21. Labman

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    Took it out for a ride. Still have a rattle. Not as bad as it was but still there. Seems to be more pronounced at 3000-4000 rpm. Also noticed it rattles when the car is hot. It maybe the other side of the heat shield or somewhere else. Makes sense for a heat shield to rattle when the car is hot...expansion. Have to do more investigating. This will drive me nuts until I find it.
     
  22. SMOKDU

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    yes you will get the PO43? code, it might take 200 miles to come on after the loose core. my light was off until after i heard the noise. not saying this is the problem but it is worth looking at. if you want take a rubber hammer to the cat but it is easier to just remove the rear 02 and probe inside. let us know what you find.
     
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    #23 eyboro, May 24, 2011
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    Check the inner wheel covers by the rear fenders, most mechanics don't seem to secure all the screws needed. Also check the 2 side covers in the engine bay.
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  24. Labman

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    Took my airboxes off, removed muffler shield. Better access to reinstall the clamp around the heat shield. Screwed it down even tighter now. Definitely was rattling from the shield. Got it to where it barely moves now. I will eventually have this tack welded to make it more permanent. Also found my driver side CV boot heat shield was rattling a bit so I installed new washers and re-secured it. No more rattle. Also found my driver side cover in the engine bay as eyboro indicated to be rattling a bit to. Fixed that. Took it our for a drive and it seems to be quiet. Have to take it out with the top down now so I can really hear if it is gone. I'm hoping I got it. Thanks for all the advice!
     
  25. roadracer311

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    Nice work! Rattles can really ruin the feel of a good car. I hope your top down ride is full of the right sort of sounds.
     

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