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  1. Auraraptor

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    Does HK still offer long rifles to the public? I know a year or 2 back they offered the SL8, a civilian semi auto version of the venerable G36. I was wondering if they still offered it, and in its normal G36 form (not the weird thumbhole since the lifting of the ARB)
     
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    I did not see the SL-8 listed in the new Hk catalog. Unfortunately the G 36 will probably never be offered forsale. It would have to be made in the USA, for it to have any chance. It CANNOT be imported from overseas and brought into the USA. Neither can any post ban assault rifle. It would not be smart for Hk to produce this rifle in the USA. What would happen; if they tooled up for production, and the law changed ? What would they do with all the semi-auto rifles ? Do not forget that their are alot of governments around the world, that no longer trust their own people to keep semi-autos (or any firearm for that matter).

    It could only be purchased as a post 86 dealer sample. You would have to be a Class III dealer, to purchase a post 86 d.s. You would have to have a letter from a gov agency or police dept to obtain the rifle as a p.b. rifle. You could only keep the rifle while you maintained your C III license. Basically it would be a rental weapon. All the hi speed original overseas material, can only be purchased this way. It is unfortunate. You can purchase domestically produced material; if the manufacturer will release the material to the public. Not all American produced firearms (Class 1 firearms) are available to the public.
     
  3. Auraraptor

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    If I got a "post-ban, pre-repeal spec" SL 8 with the thumbhole stock, no flash hider, etc, would it be illegal to convert it to G36 specs while the retaining semi auto receiver in light of the repeal of the assault rifle ban?

    For that matter, could I add a standard barrel with flash hider and bayo lug my "post-ban, pre-repeal spec" AR15 in light of the repeal?
     
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    Quick question - how does the G36 differ from a HK-91, aside from the semi-auto-only nature of the 91? Why couldn't you just buy a pre-ban version of the 91 (.308/7.62), with all the options you want (bayonet lug, bipod mount, flash supressor, folding stock, etc.)?

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  5. thecarreaper

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    i have a FFL. you can now add flash suppressors, bayo lugs and regular pistol grip stocks. the local gun shop just recieved some new semi ak-47's from Romainia , complete with bayonet and flash suppresor.the guns are priced around $400.00 new in the box. GA is a state that allows silencers and machine guns. i have a few. however it is against federal law to convert any semi auto weapon to full auto unless it is for law enforement use. basically you have to have an old " pre ban " ( Gun Control Act, 1986) weapon thats is still around and registered as such. you can add a short barrel or silencer, but converting to full auto is not allowed unless the laws have changed ( recently). the state / federal laws book for you state should be available from your local ATF office or a dealer may have an extra for you to have.
     
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    #6 Auraraptor, Dec 4, 2004
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    The G36 is H&K's new 5.56/.223 intermediate round rifle. It is considered by many to be one of the best military assault rifles in the world, extremely reliable and easy to use. It also it gas operated, a notable difference from the 91. It has only been made very recently and the semi-auto civilan version was only first offered 1 or 2 years ago.

    The 91 is a larger 7.62 caliber "battle rifle" that dates from the late 50s, early 60s. It uses no gas operation, and rather a fluted (sp?) chamber design to hold its bullets, which as a side note also allows for ridiculously small barrels. I already have a Portuguese HK91 I use as a sport shooter. It is one of my favorite long rifles.

    Top is the G3/Hk91, middle is the G36, bottom is the SL8. If the pictures bunch up, the first is the G3/HK91, the one with the special built in site is G36, and the odd light grey one is the SL8. Not to scale.
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    #7 Auraraptor, Dec 4, 2004
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    Michael, Thanks for the info! I am definitely going to convert an SL8 to G36 specs now! Even though the conversion will probably cost more then the rifle. :p

    BTW, another HK91/G36 picture, not to scale btw.
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    Dear Omar:

    You may want to consider a Sig 551LB and or a Steyr AUG A2 ? Those are nice late model foreign assault rifles, in nearly the same class as the Hk 36. You will have to buy a pre-ban Sig or Steyr rifle, in addition to the repair replacement receiver, you can now purchase from Capital City Firearms. This allows you according to the ATF, to legally own the pre-ban receiver, and parts set. You will need no modifications to have the real deal. No welding, sanding, re-blueing, and refinishing etc... It is all factory parts.

    Also keep in mind. Almost all of the modified foreign rifles, are actually built with American parts. They are NOT 100% original overseas rifles. It may be called a Romanian AK type, or Spanish Cetme. - It will often have an American receiver. - That will allow the modification of the firearm to pre-ban specs. The original assault rifle receiver, can no longer be imported.
    Except - For repair or replacement.



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    I'm not a gun guy, but rather than ruining your thread, I just thought I'd say that those are kind of cool-looking!
     
  10. Auraraptor

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    Ralph, I have a weakness for HK's in my heart, what can I say. After I move back to PA, I am going to get a concealed carry on my USP Expert. :D Sigs never did it for me, though I love AUGs. I was under the impression they were trading hands in the 3000 dollar level these days for an excellent example. Do you know what a good shooter would set me back?

    The SL8 conversion would set me back a total of around 2500 or so, and the conversion would be a basic swap of parts between a G36 and the SL8, all factory, and no custom work required at all.
     
  11. Auraraptor

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    Ralph, I have a weakness for HK's in my heart, what can I say. After I move back to PA, I am going to get a concealed carry on my USP Expert. :D Sigs never did it for me, though I love AUGs. I was under the impression they were trading hands in the 3000 dollar level these days for an excellent example. Do you know what a good shooter would set me back?

    The SL8 conversion would set me back a total of around 2500 or so, and the conversion would be a basic swap of parts between a G36 and the SL8, all factory, and no custom work required at all.
    Thanks :)
     
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    If you can make a semi G 36, that would be nice. There are always C III dealers that will sell you all the parts, less the receiver. The post 86 full auto dealer sample weapons, are nothing but rental weapons. Give up your license, and you have to destroy the receiver. Of course you can donate the receiver to a govt agency !! LOL What are you going to do; if they produce the Hk XM-8 ? Oh ahh.

    The pre ban semi Augs start in the 3K range. Make sure you are buying a real pre ban rifle; if you pay the pre ban price. You do not want to buy a dressed up post ban, that is being passed as a pre ban. The Aug A2 uses the "same" Hensoldt G 36 scope, on the M1913 rail. The scope is a 3.4 / 3.6 power with all kinds of information inside the reticle.



    Pete can get everything you need for a real A2.

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    as much as i love the HK'S , my heart belongs to my 1950's model FN-FAL heavy barrel. i want a M1A big time ,but my FFL is now a C&R so i cant just order a new M1A. :) guns, guitars and Ferrari's. :)
     
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    I have no issue with FN FAL's. I really find them to be very sleek elegant rifles. The pistol grip design is still my favorite of any long rifle. I do have issues the the sites falling after prolonged firing....:D
     
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