Thank you in advance for your help. Problem: When roof is down and car is off and door is closed-windows can not be rolled up all the way. History: 1. The car's front end and rear deck lid were recently repainted. Problem occured after this. 2. When the latch is released to remove the convetible top the windows are automatically supposed to move down about 2 inches to make the putting down of the top a little easier. The car does this. 3. When the top is up (closed) the windows can be moved up and down and the car has no problems. 4. The problem is when the roof is in the down (open) position. While the key is in the on position and the doors are open or closed the windows can be moved up and down without a problem. While the key is in the off poisition and the door is open the windows automatically move down two inches. If you turn the key in the on position and roll up the windows they do, but the minute you turn the ignition and open the door the windows move back down again. So ultimately I can not have the door closed, the top down and the windows completely up. 5. The 348 Spider in the latch area for the convertible top on the left hand side has a sensor. This sensor works for when the top is closed. There has to be another sensor in the car letting the computer know that the top is down. I think that is where the problem is, but have no idea where that sensor is. On a second note I recently realized that the light of the driver side door when open does not come on all the time, so I am guessing that there is a wiring problem in the pins in the door connector which is a very common problem. Do you think that this problem is causing a malfunction with the windows? Thank you for all your help. I hope I was a clear as possible and appologize for writting so much. Thank you Jean-Louis
If the wiring pins for the doors are not getting proper current for the door maker lights, then it would not be much of a strach to assume that the pins for the window motors are not getting enough juice. Open up the door and undo the wiring pins and spay some electrical cleaner on the pins. Stabilant 22 works the best and see if that clears the problem
A couple of simple solutions.... The door guide (black triangle about door button) can cause added stress is not aligned....Loosen the screws and that hold it in place, and let the window go up...then retighten with the window up... Clean the connectors as Matteo had suggested. Someone posted a neat relay box that they created on this 348 section... They claim rapid improvement in speed... You could also take off the strakes and try to grease the tracks..
Enough power is getting to the windows and there is no problem with the aligning of the windows. It is clearly a problem that the car does not believe that the top is in the open position and securly fastened. The windows are behaving like the top has been recently unlatched or is about to be latched and thats why the windows are going down two inches in order to protect the top when opening or closing. There has to be a sensor somehwere - I do think as Mateo had suggested that it could be that there is a sensor in the pins in the door jam that is malfunctioning. I was just curious if anyone new of a sensor. Thank you again
I misread the problem....my apologies... I have had door pin switches malfunction in mine...Simpliest way to tell is if your door light is coming on when you open and close the door. My switch was not working so I switched the door switch that controls the seatbelt motors and it worked fine after that (I don't use the seatbelt motors so it was no big deal).
t-mobile guy No need for appologies. The beauty of this site is that many people are willing to help, and I apprecaite all imput. It is a difficult situation to expain, It seems there is a Gremlin, but I am sure that it is a sensor that is bad somehwere in the car or with the pins in the door jam. I had a problem in the past with pins in the door jam, causing the passenger window not to go down at all. Luckilly it was an easy problem to fix by cleaning out the pins. (Thanks to Carl at Black Horse Motors)
I think there is a sensor under the top on the driver and passenger side buttress that is activated when the top is unlatched. It might be under the center handle for the top release to now that I think about it. can you psudo-raise your top and look under it? I am looking for the parts manual now to see if I can find it
On the driver side latch there is a sensor, that is working. This sensor is working and when the top is unlatched it immediatelly moves the windows down two inches as it should. If the top is closed. the sensor senses that it is closed and the windows have no problem when the car is of.
Microswitch is on the driverside were the roof meets the windshield next to the locking handle. It's to the left of that hammer that comes down to clasp the windshield. When the handle behind the drivers seat is released, the switch is activated. Check the microswitch still functions by pressing on it.
I had the same problem. I eventually ended up unscrewing the 6 large phillips screws (corner brackets) and 6 small phillips screws (driver and passenger visor) in order to pull down and open up the black top piece that crosses the entire top of the windshield. That let me cut the two wires going to the window/top sensor (left corner, black plastic rectangular device). I've forgotten now if I had to wire them together or leave them apart in order to make the windows stay up when I rolled them up.
Are you sure it did not come from the factory this way. Mine come down some also. Any other spider owners seeing this?
IT should come down when you are putting the top up or down but not while the top is latched or in the completely open position.
