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  1. tasty348

    tasty348 Karting

    Jan 13, 2006
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    Christopher and Amy
    I'm in a bad situation here fellas. I just took delivery of a 1991 348 which I took for a flawless two hour test drive a few weeks ago. The PPI came back perfect as well. All the recent service was done and so on. As soon as I pulled away from the covered car carrier that delivered the car, It was hesitatating and the 1-4 light came on periodically. I assumed it was from sitting so I let her warm up a few times and took it out today. Drove a few blocks and it backfired a few times and the fuel light came on for a moment. Basically, it seems as though the engine is being starved of fuel/air or something. If I let it go, it would conk out. My best assessment is that maybe being transported on an angle in the back of the car carrier may have moved some sediment or clogged something. When it ran, it ran great until the next set of backfirings and sputters. The nearest Ferrari dealer is Ferrrari of Washington, about an hour and half away. I had it towed to a local shop, DiFatta Brothers on Bel Air Rd. Maryland but have no idea if they can help as they are closed on Sunday. I'm hoping a fuel filter or somthing might to the trick. I don't have much mechanical experience, so help a brother out if you can. All of the advise on this forum has been great so far. Thanks in advance...
     
  2. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    There are two different 1-4 lights, a "slow down" and a "check engine." To get better help, please specify.

    Backfires in a 348 are typically due to a lean A/F.

    The Fuel light should only come on when you are on your reserve fuel (last 5 gallons or so).

    Sputtering and dying and backfires combined might mean a bad fuel pump, clogged fuel filters, bad MAF or MAF connection, A/F set way too lean, clogged fuel injectors, or dying fuel pressure regulators (which could also be due to a vacuum problem).

    But, first things first: disconnect your battery (there's a rotary switch to do this) when your engine is *cold* (for 5 minutes) and then reconnect it, start your car, and without touching the throttle (very important), let it idle until the temp gauge rises up to the first quarter mark.

    That will let your A/F ECU's relearn your car...a step that is free, harmless, and often solves these sorts of problems.

    Also, insure that your tailpipes and air intake aren't obstructed.
     
  3. tatcat

    tatcat F1 World Champ
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    you did the right thing taking it to di fatta bros. paul is a wizard. he'll have you up and running and you won't have to sell any of your children to pay him. good luck.
     
  4. tasty348

    tasty348 Karting

    Jan 13, 2006
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    I hope Paul can help. I did everything by the book for this car. 2 PPI's, leak down/compression test and so on. I have printed No Doubt's comments to have something to compare to Pauls' diagnosis. Have you had work done at Di Fatta's?
     
  5. Miltonian

    Miltonian F1 Veteran

    Dec 11, 2002
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    First thing to try is to "re-initialize" the electronics according to the instructions given in ND's post. If your 348 has the battery in the back, it won't have the rotary disconnect switch (that's for batteries in the front). If the battery has been disconnected or replaced recently, or run flat and then jump started, and the relearning process hasn't been done, that could be your problem. Very simple.

    Your car is probably fine, just a minor problem, as long as there were no "death rattles" coming from it, or it was blowing excessive smoke from the exhaust.

    We'll be waiting to hear updates. Hope you are enjoying your car soon!
     
  6. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    Have you read this link yet? http://webpages.charter.net/aircover/348/1994Ferrari348Spider.html
     
  7. tatcat

    tatcat F1 World Champ
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    yes. just had the belts done on my 85 308qv. saved $400 over FoA.
     
  8. tasty348

    tasty348 Karting

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    Hey No Doubt, it was the check engine variety.
     
  9. BT

    BT F1 World Champ
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    Do a search for pulling the ECU codes if the problem continues after resetting the ECU by disconnecting the battery. There is a post with every code that can be pulled and what it means. But if you are uncomfortableoidng this yourself I am sure your mechanic will.
    BT
     
  10. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    What it sound like is that you ran out, or are running out of gas. When the fuel injectors fail to get gas it casues all sorts of problems. It will cause the check engine (not slow down) lights to come on. So if you pull code they should be for the injectors.

    Try this first:

    Take your gas can and go get 5 gallons of gas. Put that in the tank.

    Start the engine then shut it off. This is to make sure you have fuel in the lines.

    Now disconnect the battery for about 30 seconds and reconnect it. This is the "hard" reboot of the ecu's and it also clears out any codes.

    Start the car again and let it idle by itself, do not touch anything, so that the car relearns the warm up process.

    After the radiator fans come on at least once you should be good to go.

    Now go drive the car and see if the lights come on again.
     
  11. tasty348

    tasty348 Karting

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    Followed each direction from draining/adding new gas to resetting battery. No luck. I think I am going to have to bite the bullet and ship it to Ferrari of Washington. No one around has the diagnostic machine and I have run out of possibilities. Thanks for the effort.
     
  12. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    You don't need a diagnostic machine to check your engine codes. Ernie wrote up a great procedure to have your codes displayed by your dash lights: http://webpages.charter.net/aircover/348/1994Ferrari348Spider.html#ECUcodes
     
  13. tasty348

    tasty348 Karting

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    Thanks no doubt. I'll give it a try. This stuff is new to me. I'll write you with any questions. If it turns out to be O2, A/F sensor stuff like that, can I easily replace these? Plugs, oil, brakes...that I can do. I am and have always been leary of electronics. What blows me away is I drove 11 Ferrari's in the past 5 months (328 and 348) and not one had a problem. The one I choose, which had the most available records, cleanest history, flawless PPI, very well maintained etc. that I drove for 2 hours before I purchased, won't run the day I take delivery. Murphy's law, right? I'm done whining now. Thanks again for the help.
     
  14. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    The 348 is remarkably easy to work on. Everything...everything bolts on/off, plugs/unplugs, etc. The more that you get into the car, the easier everything becomes.

    It's a bit intimidating at first, what with a chrome prancing horse riding on the car and all, but after you get past that first bit of inertia/hesitation it gets pretty easy.
     
  15. Shark49

    Shark49 Formula Junior

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    also, its important when you disconect the battery that you hit the brakes to get trid of the residual energy in the system. Try, putting in some new gas and some chevron techron.......may help. My car ran like crap too the day I drove it off the truck but a new tank of gas and a ecu reset helped it. Check all of your plug wires and vaccum hoses just in case too. Never know what cam loose. also, check your o2 sensor in your cat.... never know. Probablty not any help but just talking from experience... Dont get disconcerted, its prolly something simple.
    good luck!
    regards
    Nate
     
  16. chrisx666

    chrisx666 Formula Junior

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    How steep an angle on the transporter? I understand that after tipping a used 348 Bosch fuel filter on it's side you are supposed to throw it away.
     
  17. sparta49

    sparta49 F1 Veteran
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    You are not alone. I'm fighting the same problem with my 91 right now. I keep getting the check 1-4 and losing a bank of cylinders. I 've ruled out ECU's now I've swapped Mass Air Flow Sensors, if I can't make the code move to the other side now I'll move on to fuel injectors
     
  18. tasty348

    tasty348 Karting

    Jan 13, 2006
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    Christopher and Amy
    Di Fatta was not able to help me. They do not have the diagnostic equipment to do so. Paul went over the car, checked fitting and such. He ran the car and said he had no problems. Of course. I'll be starting the manual check of the ECU codes this weekend. As preventative measures, I will order fuel filters and some other misc. replacement parts. I'll be calling on the brotherhood for help if I need as I have always paid someone to do this stuff before, but i think it's time to man up and start owning my Ferrari. I believe the definition of sucks is having a Ferrari in the garage that doesn't run.
     
  19. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! Put the wrench in your hand and turn it. Like ND said the 348 isn't that hard to work on. Especially since the US 348's have the OBD that flashes the codes.

    With your situation it's better to start with the most common and simple things. Since you have reset the ecu's, drive the car until you get the light to come on. If it doesn't come on then keep driving it. If it does, then pull the codes using the instructions in the link ND posted.

    Let us know how it goes.

    Helping one another is what the brotherhood is all about.
     

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