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Help!!! I need a 550 guru!!! Misfiring

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  1. beachmk4

    beachmk4 Formula Junior

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    My 1998 550 has a misfire. I have changed plugs, plug wires and coil packs. When this was finished we had the slowdown light come on flashing. We cleared the OBD2 and it went away. When we went in to the OBD2 stream we found bank one said closed and bank two said disabled. After all this I still have the misfire.

    I need a guru to help me pinpoint the problem. I've thrown a bunch of money at this (like an idiot). I should have done this in the first place.

    PLEASE HELP!!! This car is my daily driver and I have had to resort to my 12 year old pick up/ tow vehicle.
     
  2. Cribbj

    Cribbj Formula 3
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    Not sure what you mean by ".....we found bank one said closed and bank two said disabled."

    Could you explain a little more, or provide the actual codes that were found?
     
  3. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Did you check the fuel filters for rubber from the pump surrounds in the tank? Fuel problems often masquerade as ignition problems.
     
  4. beachmk4

    beachmk4 Formula Junior

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    There wasn't a code. This was information in the OBD2 stream. I assume (a bad thing to do) that it meant that the number two cylinder bank was shut down. It didn't appear that the entire bank of cylinders was shut off when it was running but there was a misfire. I thought it could be something from the thermo-coupler and/or sensor in the cats. Is it possible to get a reading without a code??? The slowdown light didn't show a code either but when we cleared all on the computer the light went out.

    I'm baffled.
     
  5. Cribbj

    Cribbj Formula 3
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    OK, this may sound like a silly question, but how do you know you have a misfire, ie what exactly is the car doing? Running rough, or something else?

    Did you change the plug wires & coilpacks yourself, or did a pro do it?

    And just to clarify and make sure we're on the same page, did you change the plugs, plug wires and coilpacks BECAUSE you had a misfire, or did the misfire appear after you did this work?
     
  6. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The first thing we check on a misfiring Maranello is the intake plenum gaskets. The smallest leak causes the car to freak out. Start by smoke testing the intake plenum then move onto the fuel system. Normally I see them leak at plenum to head connection. Ferrari came out with a metallic gasket to resolve this issue. Post your codes also.
     
  7. beachmk4

    beachmk4 Formula Junior

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    #7 beachmk4, Feb 12, 2014
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    We will check that out. I had all the work done by a pro. As for codes, there was nothing shown. I thought that was odd. We will also take a look at the rubber surrounds on the fuel pumps.

    Interestingly, the problem doesn't manifest itself until the car warms up, in about 6/7 miles. The idea of the plenum gasket makes sense to me as it would give the plenum time to expand.

    thanks so much for the suggestions. We have been scratching our collective heads for a couple of days now.
     
  8. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I had my techs torque the intake manifold every annual service for 5 years, but when they did the 10 year with degreeing of the cams, the intake manifold gaskets were completely shot. Like Dan said, the new ones are metal with a rubber/nylon surround, so should work much better at the low torques of the fasteners.
     
  9. BRADAN

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    Sorry I just reread your post. When the did the plugs did the pull the side plenum covers? If so I would say 100% thats where your leak is. I screwed up a few times installing the side cover gaskets with the plenum on the car before and had similar issues. The gaskets drop sometimes and you end up putting the bolt in with the gaskets pushed out under it creating a leak.

    Taking a few miles makes sense since the MAF needs time to pickup on the leak when comparing against the o2 readings.
     
  10. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Good advise. Anyone doing annuals have your tech check the plenum hardware tq and while your at it exhaust manifolds bolts. For some reason I always find maranellos walk the exhaust nuts off the manifold studs.
     
  11. beachmk4

    beachmk4 Formula Junior

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    We didn't pull the side plenum covers only the throttle bodies. The miss was there before we tried to diagnose anything. That's what leads me to believe it could be the plenum/head connection.
     
  12. 360modena2003

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    Did you try locating where exactly the misfire is occurring? (which cylinder)?

    Did you check the lead cables? - I remember some on here having issues with them and getting damaged.

    Spray WD-40 or brake cleaner around the intake plenum to see if it makes a difference -but if the leak is happening on the underbelly of the plenum, it will not be easy to detect.
     
  13. 360modena2003

    360modena2003 Formula 3

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    You need to determine if the misfire is spark or fuel related - first locate where exactly the misfire is, then you can start swapping out fuel injectors, ignition cables and so on.
     
  14. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    OP description is not clear to me. OBD2 and EOBD are very sensitive and can pick out very mild undetectable misfire and will show up as misfire hard code p0300 series.
     
  15. BRADAN

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    Yeah the first step should have been a smoke test IMO before jumping on the ignition setup. Give it a shot and let us know how you make out. If you come up short on the plenum leak we can figure out the next logical step. If they find the leak order the following parts to really make sure you covered everything.

    2 x 225462
    2 x 154562
    2 x 142934
    24 x 159601
    24 x 133902

    If you end up pulling the plenum check all the vac hoses ends for dry rot and see if the center valley coolant hoses have been upgraded to 575 style. Feel free to have your tech give me a ring at the shop if he wants to bounce ideas.
     
  16. BRADAN

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    I agree. Normally you will find random multiple misfire codes. See if you have any codes pending they might not be solid codes yet.
     
  17. oss117

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    If the problem starts after the engine warms up, I would check the intake plenum before anything else.
     

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