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Help (I'm an Idiot) -- 308 Gauges Dead and Battery Light is on when key is out...

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  1. CarreraScott

    CarreraScott Formula Junior

    Jan 30, 2004
    592
    Charlottesville, VA
    1980 308 GTSi

    OK first things first I am brain dead. Hooked up a new battery backwards. Yes I'm an idiot. That's out of the way now. I even tried to start the car that way. Wouldn't start of course. Fixed the battery and now none of the gauges work (including the center console ones) and when the ignition is in the OFF position, or the key is OUT, the Battery light is lit up.

    The cars starts great and runs FINE.

    Headlights come up but regular beams don't light up, brights work fine.
    Radio does not work, wipers work, windows work. A/C blows air.

    Any help? Did I royally F* something up??? Arrgh.
     
  2. decardona

    decardona Formula 3

    Apr 23, 2005
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    First thought, check fuses and relays. Do you have birdmans fusebox?
     
  3. CarreraScott

    CarreraScott Formula Junior

    Jan 30, 2004
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    Have not updated the fusebox. Have done some preliminary checking on the fuses. How can I tell if a relay is blown/bad?
     
  4. CarreraScott

    CarreraScott Formula Junior

    Jan 30, 2004
    592
    Charlottesville, VA
    Awesome it was a small blown fuse for the instrument panel. That is working now, as are the brights. Now the only thing left is the battery light is staying ON when the ignition is off or key is out. In the manual this shows as the "Generator and Water Pump Warning Light".

    However it is only ON when the key is off or Out.
     
  5. decardona

    decardona Formula 3

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    Look at the wiring diagram in the manual and see what relay/fuse powers that light. Then check other items it powers and if they are on or problemed.
     
  6. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

    Jul 22, 2004
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    That light usually means the alternator is not working. You may have blown a diode in the alternator regulator. Make sure that the alternator is charging. If your gauges are working again, you should be able to tell if the system is charging or discharging when the engine is running. If discharging, you probably blew the regulator. Just a thought. You can also check with a multi-meter and measure voltage across the battery terminals.
     
  7. CarreraScott

    CarreraScott Formula Junior

    Jan 30, 2004
    592
    Charlottesville, VA
    Thanks I'll give it a try. Glad everything else is working so I didnt screw up the WHOLE electrical system! Then again if I blew the alternator, no idea what that will cost. Guess I'll see if it's working before I grimace and find out. ;)

    May be time to upgrade to birdmans fusebox anyway, good excuse as I have no idea how to find these little fuses that blew -- prob makes sense to make the switch now!
     
  8. CarreraScott

    CarreraScott Formula Junior

    Jan 30, 2004
    592
    Charlottesville, VA
    Wouldn't that light come on when the ignition was ON (and/or engine was on) to indicate a bad alternator? The light is off when the key is turned, or the car is running. It lights up when the key is OUT or the ignition is turned all the way to the left in the off position...

    Man this engine purrs... :)
     
  9. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Yea, you fried the alternator!
     
  10. CarreraScott

    CarreraScott Formula Junior

    Jan 30, 2004
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    Charlottesville, VA
    Yup. Just checked the battery and got no increase in voltage with the car running or revving.

    Guess it's rebuild time for the alternator. Read on another thread that pretty much any mechanic could do this... guess the search function is about to be my friend. ;)
     
  11. PittsS2APilot

    PittsS2APilot Formula Junior

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    I think I recall a thread a while back on alternators. Isn't there a substitute alternator that you can get at the local Napa Store? Joe
     
  12. CarreraScott

    CarreraScott Formula Junior

    Jan 30, 2004
    592
    Charlottesville, VA
    thanks I'll see if I can find that. I saw on RockAuto that their rebuilt replacements are only like $65. Guess I broke a cheap part, at least!
     
  13. SonomaRik

    SonomaRik F1 Veteran

    rebuilds on these are fairly straight fwd,. and not very expensive.
     
  14. Paul_308

    Paul_308 Formula 3

    Mar 12, 2004
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    Couple of points which requires a basic understanding between electric and electronic parts.

    Electric parts are lights, relays, motors, pumps, switches, and most sensors. They can have polaritity reversed without incurring damage.

    Electronic parts have semiconductors and include such devices as radio, regulator, ignition modules, ecu modules, gauge transducers. These will incur catastrophic damage if voltage polarity is reversed. HOWEVER they are often diode protected from this by the manufacturer against this eventuality. ...but one never knows.

    When an electronic part has failed due to polarity reversal, it can either fail open or shorted. Alternator regulators will failed when reversed and there is enough power available for them to blow wide open. The alternator itself is electric and not in danger.

    One you are back to running you will need to checkout all gauges, fuel injection modules, slowdown circuits, and cat temp modules. I enumerate the two categories of parts so you don't waste time fretting over electrical parts which are not subject to failure.
     
  15. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I hooked a battery backward to my 308GTB when jumping a dead one in the car....rebuilding the alternator fixed it.

    Good luck!
     
  16. Paul_308

    Paul_308 Formula 3

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    Once upon a time, there was a handsome good samaritan who encounters the fair maiden with a dead battery. He pulls out his
    jumper cables, parallels cables between the two vehicles and promptly blows out his near new alternator is his near new truck
    because he wasted time chatting her up instead of paying attention to black and red.

    That story is now repeated by their kids. If it was their grand kids it would have been a 6volt generator, not an 12volt alternator,
    and it would have survived as voltages regulators in those days were simply a pair of relays. And since in those days radios
    drew lots of power requiring restarting parted cars every 30 minutes to keep the radio going and studs were well versed in the
    vagarities of maintaining a reliable batterie.

    And 20 years before then one simply started the car with a crank. I ask...when was the last time you even SAW a crank.
    Or saw a car with the hole in the radiator to allow the crank to the crankshaft pulley. So which side of the Ferrari would
    Enzo have plaed the crank, were he 50 years earlier? Ahh gotta start a poll.
     
  17. Paul_308

    Paul_308 Formula 3

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    I cannot remember writing this, but find it quit amusing and while so, am beginning to worry ... how do you spell oldtimer's?
     
  18. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

    Feb 15, 2001
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    Paul you should also mention how to jump start a positive ground 12V system. My 1st car was one so I'm an old timer. By the way I never hooked one up backwards yet but there is still time left.
     
  19. CarreraScott

    CarreraScott Formula Junior

    Jan 30, 2004
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    p.s. old thread but this did fix it
     
  20. mwr4440

    mwr4440 Five Time F1 World Champ
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    There are two Model Ts in my Dad's garage. A Truck and a Coupe.

    And YES, although they have starters we ..... use the CRANK.



    [The novelty NEVER wears off.] :D


    The first time either backfires and runs backward thou (YES, they can), will probably be the end of that. :eek:
     

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