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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by DrewH, Jun 15, 2024.

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  1. DrewH

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  2. technom3

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  3. Themaven

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    Yes. The number I heard was 9.
     
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  5. FrancisK

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    Last one I was able to find record of sold in 2016
     
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    As ever a quick look in the California section would not only have resolved this debate but even yielded photos....
     
  8. tbakowsky

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    yup..the cali represents the last of the manual gearbox cars. as sad as that is. 599 is close behind.
     
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  9. RedTaxi

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    Yes and I hope one day Ferrari will make a limited edition bare bones manual car to pay homage to the wonderful gated shifter. I bet they would sell but you'll pay for it. Think 911R.
     
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  10. tbakowsky

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    Porsche is done with manual as of 2025
     
  11. Texas Forever

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    Huh?
     
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  12. DrewH

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    So if manual Californias were so unpopular that Ferrari discontinued making them why are used manuals selling for such a premium?
     
  13. DrewH

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    I hope not but everyone I see on the road is a stupid PDK. I always say to myself, what a waste.
     
  14. FrancisK

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    How are you a Ferrari owner on a Ferrari forum asking this question?
     
  15. RedTaxi

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    They have said that before then brought it back in the GT3.
     
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  16. DrewH

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    So there is no demand for manual Ferraris like Ferrari says or people are willing to pay more for a manual Ferrari? *Can’t be both. Think before posting.
     
  17. FrancisK

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    Is this 2014?
     
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  18. DrewH

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    So, people were paying more in 2014.
     
  19. ross

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    helped my friend buy one. drove it. had first right of refusal. refused.
    not a great car
     
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  20. FrancisK

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    When something becomes scarce it becomes more valuable which is silly that I have to explain that and I also don't think I should have to explain to a Ferrari owner why a manual would be more desirable to a car enthusiast. Furthermore F1 transmissions were thought to be something special when they came out, the technology as well as the exclusivity of it, not so much now obviously. I remember a 98 Lexus GS was a big deal because it had buttons behind the wheel to change gears, even though it was pretty much nothing but a novelty....not the same as an F1 tranny obviously but just an example as to the way the market was going at the time.

    From the manufacturers side of things they learned it's simply cheaper for them all around to offer only one transmission type, they can label it however they want but in the end all that matters is the money. There is demand for manual cars but not as much as autos so it just doesn't make sense for Ferrari's bottom line to offer them anymore as is the case for many smaller scale manufacturers and even some of the larger ones now.

    Myself personally I don't care for manual trans cars but I am in the minority as a car enthusiast in regards to that.
     
  21. TheMayor

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    I think they talked a lot of people out of manuals. You couldn't order one so they never showed up in any numbers.

    Also things that are rare are generally more value. So if manuals are rare today, they are more expensive for those really looking for one.
     
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  22. LVP488

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    The additional burden for Ferrari with the California is that it was the first offering the dual clutch transmission - therefore, unlike the cars with F1 systems (where it was just some equipment on top of the regular gearbox), the manual California needed a completely specific gearbox. That explains why Ferrari definitely did not want to go that way, in addition to the real lack of demand.
    As for the value of manual Ferrari today, some may argue that cars enthusiasts prefer manual gearboxes, but IMHO it's more driven by the fact that speculators prefer rare cars... that's why an original manual 575 is valued a lot more than a 550, although both are manual and the 575 is only a slightly improved 550: all 550 were manual, so they're common, while most 575 were originally with the F1 system, which makes the factory manual 575 rather rare.
     
  23. INTMD8

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    They are not available in 2025, doesn't mean they are done with them as of 2025.
     
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  24. paulchua

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    We all know that if Ferrari made a stick (anything), it would sell. They could make a toaster, and it would still sell. It's about more than just money; it's about regulations, branding, resource allocation, and simplifying business.

    If they add a stick to any car, the strange thing is that the take rate will only be 1 out of 10. It happens time and again. Having the option makes things logistically harder (even though they can make money). There are factors like extra rules, parts, and alignment with their race cars (Challenge, F1, WEC).

    To sum it up, it's easier for Ferrari to just DCT, and they don't need the extra money at this point.

    Nobody here is saying one can't prefer manual or that they are wrong. Of course, manuals are great. But if Ferrari sells every car they offer without it, they don't need to include it.

    Nothing is stopping Ferrari to offer manual again in the future if they need extra funds.
     
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  25. technom3

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    They are collectible and are the last manuals ever made from the prancing horse.
     
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