Here is my own thought on 458 Italia base MSRP...

And... that means exactly: what?

We are talking about the market for the 458 a year from now when it's introduced. What difference does your information (correct or incorrect) have on any bearing on this issue?

You know, I wish you were right. Maybe I could get a 458 earlier and under MSRP. Yah -- that's it! (ummm...keep dreaming).

 

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Guess what? Lamborghini sales are down 37% internationally.

In the US, they are down 52%.

So how about in China? Up 32%.

Demand in emerging markets is going to continue to increase. With a car that has generated a lot of positive buzz, this increase should be even more pronounced.

And like bdelp said earlier.....you're crazy if you think supply will outstrip demand for this car worldwide. Absolutely insane. The only recent time I could see you making that argument, MAYBE, would be late 2008/ early 2009 when panic was in the air.

 

I really don't care where the demand is or isn't,I just want that car ASAP!

 

Price in Spain is about 225,000 euros. One of my local dealers has no deposits on this car. Told me last week if I left a 30,000 euro deposit I could have the first car in July 2010. Economy must be prettttttty bad.......

 

I believe you but it's hard to accept there is so little real interest over your way for the 458. On the American side the 458 is attracting too much attention...
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YOU think the market is going to be any better in a year from now. Dream on my friend.

 

And YOU think the 458 will have no impact on Ferrari sales? Talk about a dreamer....

 

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Love it: Post #4, x 1.128 [OP Factor] = #5 rounding up...... took that many posts to get a Ferrari math forumula worked into an Obama thread..


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So sales going tits up for all Ferrari and Maser cars but the 458 wont be effected? What world do you live in? You will soon see how quick the line ups go dry for the 458. There are dealerships that have sold 10% of what they did 5 years ago so far this year. Maybe the 458 is made of gold.

 

Hey I hope your right! I can get mine cheap and fast. What do you think the odds are of that 355? Please let me know what you think my discount from MSRP will be.

 

Hey Its a beautiful car but being one of the first ones to take delivery dosnt make it any faster or better looking. Look at how everyone wanted a Scud and now they are selling everywhere. The amount of time between the introduction of a new model and them being resold at less than MSRP is getting shorter and shorter. Ferrari is building too many and is suffering because of it. Those who buy early take the biggest hit but then I guess they can afford it.

 

These numbers now make sense.

That's what I was after.

 

Yes but in certain circles people still want to be the first on the block with the newest F-Car.

Not to mention that, while prices certainly will drop once enough have been produced, I think it will be a little while before the market becomes anywhere near saturated.

My speculations might be a little skewed due to the overwhelming praise given to the 458 on here and my own love for how it looks- for all I know Ferrari's customer base will like it less than the 430 or one of Lambo's offerings or whatever else. You never know.

 

Wow. That's sure is a lot of pseudo-ecomomic psycho babble, but I don't see any stats or analysis to support you projection of $350K price. Or are you backing away from that?

The size of the market depends completely on price. You seem to be missing that point. Lower price, higher demand. Higher price, lower demand. How many would they sell at $500K each?

Is your sex life affecting your economic judgment in this case?

Sure. but first you may want to brush up on your macroeconomics. Start here:http://www.rgemonitor.com/

 

You don't honestly believe in the context of the overall cost of producing a Ferrari that the amount of extra carbon fibre seen on a Scud vs a 458 significantly adds to the production cost, sure they charge us for it, but that is just a way of increasing their profit margin. The extra cost would be so marginal it really doesn't warrant any additional cost. The racing tech you speak of, don't you think that has been long ago amortised, really the Scud is the end of the 430 production run, the 458 will cost them initially much more to produce, they need to amortise development, tooling costs etc etc. All that said I think the cost of the 458 in most markets will be about that of what the new Scud at MSRP was a few months ago.

 

I suggest you stop the personal attacks and stick to the subject. Until you do, I won't bother to respond. You started this argument. You can end it for all I'm concerned.

Good luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for.

 

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If you're going to be a ******bag, find a shelf in the wimmenfolk's section of your local grocer.

 

I see at 265-275 base or more depending on the dollars health

 

I still think this car will be no more than $245K base, just a feeling. Plus in another thread, Jim noted he felt it would be about $250k base and $300 with options and taxes.

 

Hello All,

It is certainly interesting to wonder what the msrp will be for the 458 and whether they will be selling higher as used cars. But Bdelp is correct there are more than 1600 people in the US that can afford to buy a car like the 458 in any economy. It isn't even a question of whether there is or not. And if Ferrari decides to produce less initially or send more to other countries until our economy improves enough is really not as much an issue. The real need for us is to possibly expect that you are going to buy a 458 and drive it and it isn't going to be worth more than what you paid and that it might actually be worth less than what you paid when you want to sell it. It may be that instead of you getting a coupe and then trading for a spyder with only paying the difference of the msrps, that you actually have to pay more as your car is now used and worth less than what it was new. This time it might be that if the car you really want is a spyder then that is what you wait for instead of buying a coupe and then trading for a spyder when the time comes and you break even or make money on the coupe and get a spyder. It is this idea that you can make money on new Ferraris because they are in such high demand that it doesn't really matter what you buy just as long as it is new and you keep trading for the next new car. Every other luxury car depreciates. It is a false idea that this just goes on forever. The California may fall into this category of being worth less than when it was new.

What seems to me to be a problem for us that want to buy the 458 isn't whether it will be available but whether your local dealer has the allocations to get you a car quickly. There are going to be areas that the dealers will sell all they get and there may be dealers that don't have as many buyers in their area as another so they end up with cars that are unsold. And what is even better is they can't sell them to those of us who live out of their area. I so dislike this idea of only being able to sell to people that live in your dealer area. It allows dealers to be less polite when business is great and treat people poorly. It will be interesting to see what these dealers do in a bad economy.

Okay so back to the pricing issue. I do think the 458 will be 250K or so base. It is difficult for Ferrari in that they can't price it at a level that dramatically lowers demand. Is Ferrari now thinking that the bread and butter car for them is the California and not the mid engine V8s?

Thanks
Cheers,

 

Expect the new Ferrari 458 Italia to cost slightly more than the California, around $220,000. Fuel mileage is expected to be around 17 mpg. This Ferrari will arrive in the U.S. next year, perhaps before summer.

-the above is a quote from an article in road and track magazine...why not trust their words..seems to me they can be trusted as much as anyone with respect to this issue.

 

or Ameros