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High milage 355=sorted out common promlems?

Discussion in '348/355' started by leslie-ca, Sep 2, 2006.

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  1. leslie-ca

    leslie-ca Karting

    Feb 11, 2006
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    Leslie
    I need a daily driver and am looking at a 97 355 spider for $69k with 41k miles at a local dealer. Its been well maintianed, has all the books, records, keys. My real question is not "is it a good deal", but how will I fare with a 355 when I put 20k a year on a car with 40k already on it? I'd like to take it to 100k miles. I drive down a windy foothill highway, about 50 miles each way to work and back. No stop and go, very light traffic at each end. ( this is a tempting and freshly paved highway behind an airforce base, so developement is very limited. It looks just about perfect. I have photos of the road and no Fcar... ) So what do you think? I don't expect an expert opinion, just wondering what you picked up knowledge wise. If the valve guides have not been a problem thus far does that mean they are not likely an issue. I will check on the status of the exhaust headers. If its truley been well maintained, are most of the typical 355 issues come and gone by 40k miles?

    Thank you, Leslie.
     
  2. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    If you find one that has been driven, I'm pretty sure most of the problems will have been taken care of. Just keep in mind that the ARE NOT cheap to maintain.

    Other than what you have already mentioned, you will want to have a look at the condition of the clutch and flywheel. The seal on the dual mass flywheel has been know to go bad fligging grease everywhere and cooking the clutch. The triple seals on the out put shaft can leak. The slave cylinders have also been know to blow out the back, but you can get an updated slave cylinder from Ricambi.

    Those are some of the unknowns that can go wrong with high milage 355's even though the rest of the stuff as been handled. That and watch those fuel rail connectors. If they get over tightend they can crack and leak = one crispy flame broiled 355.
     
  3. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 26, 2005
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    20K miles a year will depreciate the car down to parts value in a few years - but I guess that wasn't your question.

    Plan on $5K-$6K every other year for a timing belt/major service, plus wear-and-tear stuff like brakes and clutch (if it's a six speed). As ernie said, 355s aren't the cheapest Ferrari's to maintain.

    They are gorgeous though. Good luck with your decision.
     
  4. leslie-ca

    leslie-ca Karting

    Feb 11, 2006
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    Thank you both for the helpfull input. Yes I kinda figured that high miles will put the value down to "parts value", but thats ok. Now to further explore that thread. ...drive the wheels off it and sell the wheels.. My other choice is a salvage title '03 360 spyder with 16k miles for about 135k. Still waiting for a ppi focused on the suspension, alignment issues. Was on e bay. So if i drive it a 100k miles will the salvage title ever matter I wonder. If the 355 is not cheap to maintain will the 360 be any worse, or possible even better ? I guess we dont have much history yet on those. Thank you again ... Leslie
     
  5. chaa

    chaa F1 Veteran

    Mar 21, 2003
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    My own 355 spider now has 46k miles on it and has never given me problems. It has more power now than when it left the factory (do search for my dyno results) If ya use the car there isnt realy much to worry about. As the saying goes....use it or loose it;)
     
  6. Ricard

    Ricard Formula Junior

    Jan 23, 2004
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    Remember they NEED a service every 6000m, and 20K a year is heading towards a cambelt change every year. The headers will go if standard, same for cats. You might go through a couple of sets of tires per year to. Fuel consumption approx. 15mpg.

    Personally I would presume $15,000 a year then keep the change. That would even cover valve guides as and when if they cropped up.
     
  7. leslie-ca

    leslie-ca Karting

    Feb 11, 2006
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    Thank you Richard, nice reply, and you are correct, I believe. I hope to buy a car with exhaust and valve guides already upgraded. No getting around the belts and tires weaing out at 20k miles a year. I am hoping a good 100 miles every other day would be beneficial for the car and I might get more miles per repair costs, but to delay the belt change is a risk I no nothing about. I hope someone here has some input. ...SO how many belt changes can i just breez past until i've saved the cost of a new engine when it flies apart, or do we just bend valves and pistons? Just kidding. If we do it every year I expect my son and I could get good at it, but he's off to college soon and I expect the car won't be going with him. Yuk,Yuk.
    I assume that often a belt change includes other items, which I guess that I may not need each time if its a yearly routine for me. Is this true?
    As a side note I am looking at the 360 coupe for under 100k, if I can accept a salvage title. (you know "theft recovery", or only "some one backed into it no frame damage".. etc.) Those yearly belt changes look easier on the 360. Its just a thought, still I like the look of the 355 better. After the 100k miles I plan to use the car in five or six years, I assume the salvage title won't mean as much to the value, which will be close to parts value, or am I wrong there?

    Has any one here had any experience with salvage title cars, either 348, 355 or 360, ? Thanks for all the input... Leslie
     
  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    360 will be cheaper to maintain esp if you are going to run up the mileage.
     
  9. van22

    van22 Karting
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    if you buy a salvidge title car make sure the title looks like a normal tilte but somewhere on it it will say salvidge. there is also a salvidge title that says state of california salvage certificate. the second one is a nightmare and won't be able to be transfered out of state. take it from on who knows. Have bought salvage title cars and with good luck. if your gonna put miles on it, there's always a market for good looking Ferrari's
     
  10. Huskerbill

    Huskerbill F1 Rookie

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    I think BOTH cars you mentioned are overpriced. Big time. I wouldn't pay a DIME more than $90k for a salvage title 360. And no more than $45k for a salvage 355.

    When JStecher was selling his salvage title 348 with a LOT of goodies (full brakes, suspension, wheels, etc.) in the mid 30's........THAT is a good deal.
     
  11. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    The 355 previously mentioned did not have a salvage title, only the 360.
     
  12. leslie-ca

    leslie-ca Karting

    Feb 11, 2006
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    The clean titled F355 red tan spider is at Silicone Valley Auto group, 41k miles, no dash shrinkage, vrey few paint chips, dealer sold it new, has three owners. Both keys, records, books, cover, Was 80, lowered to $69. He offered to fix any major issues in any PPI. They were extremely friendly, even let me and then my 17yr old son drive it down town los gatos. Boy he had a grin on, you could see those braces from the next street corner. He didn't go over 25mph, but that grin came back for days.

    The 360 tdf blue spider is salvage and may sell for 135k but he is not done yet. Specialized italian cars, a parts yard in Sacramento. It was on Ebay 6mos ago, hit in the front.

    Since this is a 355 forum, how about that price? Dealer says no room for cars under $100k. Poor puppy needs a home. Is it a good find or average for the miles? The dealer claims well maintained and stands behind it, for what thats worth.... I have no experience.

    thank you...Leslie
     
  13. lusso64

    lusso64 Formula 3

    Apr 12, 2004
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    Leslie,

    I drive my 355 nowhere near enough. Having said that, I am unaware of anyone who does! The talk of belt changes every X miles or Y years is very pertinent for 308s and 328s, but the pulley design was changed by the time 355s arrived. Since there is very little, if any, data on high mileage, frequently driven 355s, you are basically on your own when it comes to "skipping" a belt change. Don't skip oil changes though....

    If it were me and I was in your position, I'd go for the 355, drive it to death, and then get a 360 or even a 430 in 3-5 years time for the same price. Arguably 355s will be worth diddly squat in 5 years so you won't be hurting resale that much by driving it a lot. If they do hold value, then a high mileage, no issues car will always find a buyer - very similar to my Mondial t. Low 30's, now has 50+K miles and is a daily driver (when not in the body shop). I intend to sell that car after it dies; the 355 - maybe sooner.

    Just my .02

    Dave

    ps. Anyone have any data on 355 belt failures? This may well halp Leslie in his decision process.
     
  14. notoboy

    notoboy F1 Rookie

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    Reading all the posts, I'd go for the 355 Spider, because with the savings over the 360, you can afford belt changes and service for many years to come. If you have nice weather, a convertible 355 would be much more fun than a hardtop 360.

    I would steer clear of a salvage titled car, regardless of condition, bc it'd be difficult to resell, and in many cases, much of the car has been apart - rarely do they put the cars back together as well as the factory did when he car was new and oftentimes, noises pop up, things come loose, or worse yet, you find out too late that something wasn't fixed properly.

    In 2000 when I had a choice over a new 360 hard top or a used 355 Spider, I opted for the 355. That was my choice, now its yours - which do you like better?

    Best of luck,
    David
     
  15. James in Denver

    James in Denver Formula 3

    May 23, 2006
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    That 360 may have been from Colorado, I think there was a blue 360 here. Check the Rocky Mountain section and do a search. Seems like someone here got hurt/killed in it, think it was a track accident.

    Not sure if it was the same, but you should check it out.
    James in Denver

     
  16. leslie-ca

    leslie-ca Karting

    Feb 11, 2006
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    Yes it is the colorado car, a track accident indeed. I know nothing about how the driver fared.
    I do live where the weather is great most of the time. I drove a 360 coupe yesterday. It was a blast, yet I wondered if I would't rather have the 355 ragtop. I recall a seller stating he was selling his 360 due to speed limit limitations and traffic, and he just couldnt drive it responsibly, and toss it around with the same feeling of the road his old 3x8. So he was going back to something more vintage.
     

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