Given the history. 80k doesn't seem unreasonable. I love the f430, but 458s are coming down fast. As they do f430s will depreciate rapidly. Ferrari made large strides in eliminating a pain point with the transmission when they went to DSG. The wet clutch setup eliminates a lot of buyer fear. It's made me actually consider trying a paddle shift car. I think you're right to just keep it. Where else can you find the kind of fun you get from a high end exotic for 80-90k.
at this mileage level service history is less important to many buyers. The mileage will imply that wear and tear items will start to need replacing.
attorney fees will eat into any appreciation gain you'll get. Not worth it frankly. I have a lawyer in the family and $400/hour bills add up very quickly; even for simple things.
Ever heard of double clutch gearbox break downs on the California and 458? Makes the F1 in the F430 seem like a bargain to maintain. And that´s now, imagine what will happen when the million parts and electronics in the gearbox start to age. Double clutch gearboxes are far from bulletproof and the clutches inside also wear, especially in traffic.
Never heard of a Ferrari buyer regardless of miles that does not take service history into heavy consideration. That´s just not the case.
Well the truth of the DCT used in the early California’s and 458 did have speed sensor issues, which now can be repaired for around 6-8k depending on dealer though some still don’t have a qualified mechanic and they recommend a replacement. But fewer 458 have issues then California and even at this while yes there were failures it’s not as bad as it’s been made to sound. As far as the wet clutch goes, yeah it might wear but be warned there is NO replacement parts for a clutch in the DCT as it was designed to last the life of the vehicle. Ferrari and Getrag have refined the DCT and are now fitting gen 3 gearboxes to Car’s. Failures were eliminated by MY 2015, and realize that the SAME DCT is used across the brand for ALL vehicles they make.
i wld just factor $10k into the price to cover the variator and F1 actuator. those are the 2 vulnerable spots of the 430. no one is paying close to 70k for a 75k mile car with no history. on june 1 2018 an 05 spider with 38k miles went for 70k (red car) at the manheim auction in fort lauderdale. on june 5 2018 an 05 spider with 15k mile red car went for 92K wholesale at the manheim auction in orlando. a 75k mile car wld be sub 50k wholesale or at 50k, not above. and with 75k no history all purchases will be wholesale.
Are that many failing or are we getting a skewed perception because we're on a Ferrari board? Wet clutches are supposed to last the lifetime of the car. Porsche PDK for example has very low failures and should never need a clutch replacement. I don't get what Ferrari could be doing differently to make them wear out prematurely.
Everything is skewed cuz we are on a board. Look at replacing carbon ceramic rotors as an example. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I didn't say service history is irrelevant, but when a car has really high miles even the most highly serviced car will have wear and tear items that need replacing. I would look like to know when the last major was, and if the PPI checked out I'd pull the trigger. That's just me though.
Agreed my question was somewhat rhetorical though I am genuinely curious if the DC boxes are that problematic and I'm just missing it.
I’d be suprised if 10% total ( in all cars equipped with the 7DCL750 from 2010 to current) have had a speed sensor failure. And it appears that about the time the California T came out the second generation gear boxes were added with even higher reliability and it’s my understanding the portofino is equipped with a generation 3 7DCL750. I’ve heard of no speed sensor failures on anything 2015 and up, not to say there haven’t been any. So while it’s a possibility it can happen, other then being prepared for a repair I’d not worry too much. And in theory you will never need a clutch and the modern cars are far more reliable and user friendly. But if you ever do have a failure it can be a bad day.
] Makes sense. Just like driving with an automatic. Generally bulletproof but when it goes bad you're in for a hefty expense.
This morning, my independent showed me a 2007 F1 Red on Tan with 55k miles that the owner wants to sell for $55k. The car was on the lift so I couldn't get a good look at the interior leather, etc, but I really raised an eyebrow when I heard the price. Maybe it's the whole rose colored glasses thing we owners have regarding our car values, but when I see numbers like those being discussed in this thread, it's natural to have a bit of anxiety that the depreciation curve still has a bit of room before we hit the floor. Personally, I feel the floor on an clean F430 is $80-85k but I'm not so sure anymore.
Just look at the auction prices i posted. Well into the 90s WHOLESALE! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
