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  1. Kds

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    #1 Kds, May 24, 2008
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    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080522/D90QS2B81.html

    NEWBERRY, S.C. (AP) - With gasoline climbing toward $4 a gallon, police officers around the country are losing the right to take their patrol cars home and are being forced to double up in cruisers and walk the beat more.

    The gas crunch could also put an end to the time-honored way cops leave their engines running when they get out to investigate something.

    Some police chiefs think the money saving measures are not all bad, and might actually help them do a better job. But they worry about the loss of take-home cars, saying the sight of a cruiser parked in a driveway or out in front of a home deters neighborhood crime.

    In Newberry, population 10,000, Chief Jackie Swindler is telling his officers to turn off the ignition whenever they are stopped for more than a minute or so, and to get out and walk around more.

    "It's not a rolling office that you stay in all day," Swindler said. "You still need to get out and interact with the public."

    Jonathan Taylor, a rookie officer in Newberry, said walking the beat in the region's oppressive summer heat may be a drag, but he added: "We're police officers. It's not supposed to be a comfortable job. If getting out and walking helps me do the best job I can, I'm all for it."

    In Grainger County, Tenn., Sheriff James Harville planned for gas prices of $2.22 a gallon when he drew up his budget last year. He has since redrawn the patrol map for the two officers who work each shift, splitting his county in half. He now puts one officer in each half and makes them responsible for all calls in their area.

    "That way, unless it's just a life-threatening call, I don't have officers just crisscrossing the county," said Harville, who has asked local officials for an extra $30,000 to keep patrol cars running in the county of 22,000 in the foothills of the Great Smoky Mountains.

    When shifts overlap in Apple Valley, Minn., officers pair up and supervisors send those cruisers to domestic disputes, burglar alarms and other calls that would usually require two officers to respond separately, said Capt. Jon Rechtzigel. Officers also have been asked to turn off their engines whenever possible.

    "Years ago, you used to pull in a back lot to investigate something and keep your car running," Rechtzigel said. "You just can't afford to do that anymore."

    In the South Carolina town of Elgin, Police Chief Harold Brown delayed hiring a sixth officer so he could use the money for gas. "I guess you could say rising gas prices have cost me a man," said Brown, who found enough money in his budget to bring the new officer on board a few weeks ago.

    The Georgia State Patrol has asked troopers to reduce the amount of time spent driving by 25 percent.

    In Evansville, Ind., some officers will lose their take-home cars and others will have to pay more for the privilege. Starting Friday, those living within city limits will pay $25 every two weeks and those in the surrounding county will pay $35. Both groups previously paid $10. Eleven workers living outside the county will no longer get take-home police cars.

    Proposals to restrict the use of take-home police cars also are on the table in Camden, Del., Avon Park, Fla., and Hagerstown, Md.

    "I don't think we should be taking our city cruisers outside of our city," said Hagerstown City Councilwoman Kelly S. Cromer. "With the price of gas right now, I just really think that's a waste."

    In Allegany County, Md., Sheriff David Goad told elected officials seeking to limit his department's use of take-home vehicles that "it's a proven fact" that the sight of a patrol car on the road or in a driveway deters crime.

    As the fiscal year comes to an end, chiefs and sheriffs are trying to predict how high gas prices will go and craft budgets that won't be blown.

    "It's a shot in the dark," Swindler said. "You just have to take your best guess."

    Swindler, who joined the force as a patrol officer in 1975 - back when "only people with rank had a car" - said the return to old-fashioned police work could be a good thing in some ways, by bringing officers in closer contact with the public.

    The chief is doing his part by riding the department's Segway electric scooter during festivals and other events, and is looking to buy smaller, lighter cruisers.

    Newberry officers don't seem to mind. Sgt. Andy Rowe said he has heard no complaints from the officers he oversees as a shift supervisor and doesn't mind walking a little himself.

    "I enjoy getting out and interacting with everybody," Rowe said.
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  2. Far Out

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    They aren't really complaining that they can't let their cars idle forever anymore, are they?! :eek:
     
  3. mwr4440

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    I was never a cop, but my dad was.

    Vapor lock was the concern for the old reasoning of never stopping the car. If they "killed" the car and were then called away unexpectedly on a higher priority call a vapor lock could have occurred, preventing a quick response. They were not purposefully/callously wasting gas.

    Just contributing to your worldly knowledge. ;)
     
  4. Far Out

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    Thanks Mark! Didn't know that. I'm a follower of the "If you stop for more than 15 seconds, stop the engine" crowd (as long as it isn't a carburettor car). Letting the engine idle for even a minute while being outside the car (opposed to for example in front of a traffic light which might turn green every second) is financally and especially environmentally unresponsible, imho.
     
  5. djui5

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    This gas price thing is getting a bit out of hand no?
     
  6. Dcup

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    its ****ing rediculous !!!!!!!!!! i put 40 bucks in my car yesterday [ 330 bmw ] small car, pretty much ----- 1/2 a ****ing tank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. thecarreaper

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    pipe down, my Jalpa gets 8 mpg.... :cool:
     
  8. djui5

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    Seriously. Cost me $57 to fill up the Jeep. Uggh. Should have cost $35 :)
     
  9. 1ual777

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    Just filled up the daily Toyota Sequoia; $85 for 20 gal. And it gets 12 mpg, so that is a fill up every other day. Not pretty.
     
  10. 285ferrari

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    Dubai is booming right now!!! Every fill up means another man made island out there...Gotta love it!! What are the last quater profits for the oil companies again??
     
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  12. otaku

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    my old man sold off his SUV (he was getting 11mpg) and just drives my car when he needs to (thankfully not much) still it was 50 bucks to fill up my car thankfully that should last a week or two (hell maybe more) I live nearby everything and don't joyride much so I drive very little

    Makes buying a scooter pretty appealing
     
  13. M.James

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    I have to admit....its nice living in a neighborhood with a couple of Police cruisers parked in nearby driveways. In my old neighborhood in South Carolina, you could have left $1 Million in small bills on my front porch and no one would have laid a hand on it all day. It certainly wasn't a fancy neighborhood by any means, fairly modest, but clean, quiet and VERY safe.
     
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    That's really the media shifting the blame to the Middle Eastern countries. Oil prices are not set in the Middle East. Oil is traded in London and New York. That is where the price is set. And the $130 a berral does not go to the Middle East or to Venezuela as Cnn, MSNBC, or Fox want you to believe. There are alot of middle men that get their cut. Alot of speculators. US Dollar goes down more people invest in oil futures. If you buy oil at $100 this month. Guess what next month you are going to want to sell at $110. That is what is keeping prices up. Not Middle Eastern puppet governments. American, Canadian, and European companies are all over the place. Mostly American, that take thier cut from the production of oil in the Middle East and Africa. Even in Egypt who does not export any oil. There is a small American company that I can't remember the name that made $3.5 billion there last year. If they are making that in poor little Egypt. Imagine what they are making from their cut in Saudia Arabia ,Kuwait and Iraq.

    ExxonMobil made US$40.6 billion just in profits and revenue of US$405 Billion in 2007. Royal Dutch Shell made a mere US$31 billion in profit. And that is profit. That is after they pay the big executives and reinvest in their companies.
     
  15. rollsorferrari?

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    just got back from a road trip, between my dad and i, we probably put 250-300 bucks worth of gas in at the very least. and there were still speed traps about 1 ever 20 miles along the major routes.
     
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    on topic to the OP, I've seen a MAJOR increase in motorcycle cops on the highways and roads in the last 2wks, cranking up the revenue stream. they used to travel with cars but now they sit at every other overpass waiting.
     
  17. 62 250 GTO

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    If that's still a concern today, send the fleet back.
     
  18. TexasF355F1

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    OPEC is a bit of a factor as well, I believe. It also hurts that China and India have an insane increase in need for their oil. I read or heard the other day that China has surpassed Japan as the worlds largest importer of oil.

    It really makes you think though, when the Mideast countries are paying change for their gas, not bills.
     
  19. Lemke

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    There are three cops that live within four blocks of me (one of them drives an undercover Impala, and another is a K9 unit), and there is ZERO crime in the neighborhood. But they used to always leave their patrol cars in the driveways, but now only the K9 guy has his car with him. Nice guy to.
     
  20. toshiba

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    maybe you should move to concord or lexington then
     
  21. OKA

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    In Dubai while I was there last Year price at the pump was about $1.80 a gallon. In Egypt it was about 80 cents a gallon. I think Venizuela has the cheapest gas prices at about 25 cents a gallon.

    Here is an interesting fact I just found on Bloomberg: China, India, Russia and the whole Middle East all together consume 20.67 million barrels of crude oil a day. While the United States alone consumes 20.38 million barrels daily.

    The United States is by far the largest consumer of oil in the world. Wayyyyyyy more then Japan and China. I think the US uses around 25% of the worlds oil supply.
     
  22. TexasF355F1

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    Glad you gave some figures about other countries. I meant to phrase that as a question, instead I wrote it as a comment. Go figure, stupid me. lol

    What I heard wasn't stating that they were using the most, they claimed they were importing the most. That doesn't make much sense, but then again the news makes all sorts of mistakes daily.
     
  23. OKA

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    The news is not really news anymore. It's just propaganda. They twist things and shift blame and hide the truth. Alot of it is half truths. If you look at all the dictators of the world. They always had tight control of the media. They used it for propaganda. Propaganda is half truths twisted to their advantage.
    In the US it's the opposite the government does not control the media. The media controls the government via rich media tycoons and lobbyist.
     
  24. djui5

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    Really? How does that work?
     
  25. TexasF355F1

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    #25 TexasF355F1, May 29, 2008
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    *cough* Rupert Murdoch; Ted Turner *cough*

    Last I heard, ole Rupert was looking at taking over another media giant. Don't remember who it was though.

    Last night on CNBC, I believe it was Kudlow & Company, he stated all forms of energy need to be explored, light, wind, etc, also off shore drilling and coal. No new energy source is going to come around immediately, it will take decades to figure out what the next big long lasting energy will be. Until then drill in and offshore in the US. And enviro's suck it up and shut the hell up. Help out oil companies by working with them, not against them.
     

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