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Hills Pedals Fitting Dilema

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  1. 348Jeff

    348Jeff Formula 3

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    Hi folks

    Just bought the Hills aluminium pedals but wondering which holes people use to attach them to the existing pedals.

    Ive looked at pics and there seems more than one choice?! Would of been a lot easier if they sent instructions! grrrr!

    Also, how do people go about drilling them - I was thinking of dabbbing a bit of glue on them first to make sure they all line up properly before committing myself to drilling them.

    TBH if here was a reliable way to attach them without drilling I'm all ears....
     
  2. vvassallo

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    I drilled holes for mine. There is a template. Pretty brainless. Now the bad news. Ferrari pedal metal is incredibly hard. Use the best bits you can and drill pilot holes.
     
  3. 348Jeff

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  4. vvassallo

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    Oh and make sure you use a high speed drill, not a cordless one.
     
  5. 348Jeff

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    I'm sure the answer to this is going to be "no" as you cant afford your brake pedal to come apart during breaking causing your foot to slip buy has anyone ever tried attaching the pedals by some other method rather than drilling? (i'm a bit put off by the thought of damaging the original pedals permanently by drilling as its not reversible)
     
  6. PSk

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    Drilling is reversible.

    To reverse, remove pedals and weld holes up and grind/sand flat ... repaint. Nobody will ever know.
    Pete
     
  7. vvassallo

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    Put off by this universally accepted upgrade?! This is a 348 not a GTO (either one). You will never have anyone suggest otherwise. Trust me. Do it.
     
  8. 348Jeff

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    All done - after much deliberating I've actually used a silicone type adhesive so I don't damage the pedals by drilling plus it allowed me to adjust them a little to make them perfectly aligned.

    Just a case of applying the sealant then smearing it by hand to cover entire pedal but using enough to cover it but not too much so it comes through the holes. Next, place the pedal on and squeeze it with your fingers to compress it on then wipe off the excess.

    I've left mine overnight and they are stuck solid so no worries about coming off.
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  9. BigTex

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    This...this metal is pretty tough.

    Get some real cobalt bits (not the color gold plated ones) and trust me life will be easier.

    Once on I never hear of the Hill units being removed for any reason.
    As posted tack welding the hole would be easy I so!!!

    Looks nice.
    Bolt them!!
     
  10. vvassallo

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    I am going to give you some advice and it comes absolutely from a place concerned with your welfare. Please accept it in the spirit it is offered.

    Are you insane?!

    Bolt these things to the stock pedals before you take it out on a drive. When those glued covers come off it will be at the most inopportune time for you, such as in a turn or hard braking for a corner in a drivers school. Do not risk your life or car on this half way effort. You would never pass a sharp eyed tech inspection anyway.

    Carry on.
     
  11. ketel

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    This is all well and good but can anyone recommend the best way to mount the dead pedal?

    I see from the pics that that was not part of the order in this poster's kit, but I ordered one in mine and -- for the love of all that's good and holy -- it's a dickens to find anything to drill into so the thing stays on. Seems like nothing but loose carpeting.

    Any good ideas on how best to FIRMLY secure the dead pedal? All ears.

    ketel
     
  12. Dino Chang

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    I was thinking the same. Glad you said it first, i was pondering whether to make a simular comment or not. But because i thought it might cause the usual fchat quarrel i never botherd :)
     
  13. Ricambi America

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    There are screws included with each dead pedal. Using anything other than screws to secure these kinds of items is strongly discouraged.
     
  14. Rifledriver

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    And people wonder why I won't let clients buy cars owned by do it yourselfers.
     
  15. Dino Chang

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    A sweeping statment. Some "do it yourselfers" do a more merticulous than some so called specialists i have come across in my 50 years of car ownership. I have also seen my fair share of sub standard work undertaked by dealer networks to.
    There is good and bad in both.
     
  16. MotoMeccanica

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    This quote is to follow the above:

    What you have done to your car is a Band Aid and it was poorly applied. Please share with us your VIN so your car can be avoided when it comes on the market."--Rifledriver

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  17. 348Jeff

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    Guys I do appreciate your concern and thank you for that :)

    The plan is/was to attach the pedals with the sealant and see how firmly they are attached and then if necessary add bolts as well. I was actually expecting them to be stuck on but still a bit flexible, however, after checking it this morning I was surprised you cant move them with your hand which I put down to there being quite a large surface area. I cant personally envisage any scenario as to how you could possibly knock them off.

    I've already driven the car quite a bit today with no problems whatsoever but if I do detect any sort of loosening Ill be adding bolts too but TBH I don't think this will be the case.
     
  18. driveitdaily

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    Duct tape . Lol


    " serenity now "
     
  19. vvassallo

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    The pedal environment is extremely hot, has a lot of vibration and takes repeated force of your feet. Bolt...them...down.

    This thread is going to give me nightmares for sure!
     
  20. greg 19425

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    +308 :)
     
  21. Rifledriver

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    Detecting movement when your foot with the pedal pad slides off and hits the floor with those kids in the crosswalk in front of you it will be just a little too late to know how ****ing stupid this is.

    Be just a little responsible and do it right or don't do it.
     
  22. Shark01

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    As an Engineer who owns a patent that uses a much stronger adhesive than this, PLEASE JUST DRILL THE DAMN PEDAL.
     
  23. ketel

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    Yes, I've been using the screws but, again, there doesn't seen to be much to screw into. Thoughts?
     
  24. tazandjan

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    Jeff- If you have to stomp on the brake pedal, the force could be up around 200-300 lbs. Plus if you heel and toe (I assume you do), you are applying force to the side of the pedals where it is not supported, so now you have a leveraging effect.

    Bonding two metal surfaces like that, especially with such a small common surface area, cannot stand up to vigorous use. The pedals make a perfect template for drilling the pedals. Use a small piece of metal tubing as the inititial pilot drill guide and the larger bit will self center.

    Nobody is going to remove them, at any rate. On my Z06s, the pedals were not set up for heel and toe, so we modified them (five of them) so the gas pedal was level with the brake when the brake was fully depressed and installed Ultimate Pedals just like the HE pedals. All the subsequent owners were delighted with the set-up, and your next owner will be, too.
     

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