Hitler Escaped to Argentina? Really?

I meant a conspiracy theory regarding that thread . . .

(Hitler was misunderstood . . . the German people knew nothing . . . the Holocaust never happened . . . etc., etc., etc.)

 

Here's proof positive he made it to Argentina.
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Finally a post worthy of this thread!

First of all not enough fruit, by a long shot!

Second she was Brazilian.

Also, this is not terribly plausible either since it's impossible to sieg heil and chica chica boom chic simultaneously ... though if anyone could pull this off it would be Mel Brooks with a chorus of gay guys.

Hmmmm perhaps Nathan Lane in The Blazing Gauchos?

 

Pickey, Pickey, Pickey

 

For those uniformed a video should be of some help.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJLm6WNEv4]Carmen Miranda - Chica Chica Boom Chic - YouTube[/ame]

 

Love it

 

Bump.

Anyone watch the new “Hunting Hitler” series on history channel?

And shouldn’t this be a p&r thread?

 

It's not new. There's a more entertaining, much slicker version https://www.amazon.com/Grey-Wolf-escape-Adolf-Hitler/dp/B01DV43DDC

I liked the Hunting Hitler pseudo documentary for all the legit things it highlights about Nazis escaping to SA though. Submarine bases in Spain and the canary islands! WTF?
There are plenty of other documentaries, some produce in Argentina about the Nazis influence there both before, during and after WWII. Dig for them and one can well understand why some people think Hitler actually made it there. I think he was too sick mentally and physically.

But that Grey Wolf movie explains it all away ... I thought it was fun to watch.

 

I'm pretty convinced that Hitler died in Germany - Berlin by suicide... and was effectively burned and his remains were taken by the soviets. I think the dental work is authentic that the Russians have but the skull fragments are not. by all accounts his remains and Eva's were further burned and the residue thrown in a river or water way, never to be found.

the Grey wolf stuff is just an adventure by active minds.... given what I know about Hitler, if he could not be in control - he would not want to live in defeat... thinking that his enemies won.

 

William 'Wild Bill' Donovan was the founding senior partner of one of New York City's most prestigious white shoe law firms, Donovan Leisure, Newton & Irvine, where he practiced law until July 1941 when, at Donovan's suggestion, President Roosevelt created the Office of the Coordination of Information and appointed Donovan its Director. This became the O.S.S. the Office of Strategic Services, the pre-cursor of the present-day Central Intelligence Agency. I have a first cousin, no longer alive, who was an O.S.S.agent and parachuted into Austria in 1944 to organize partisan resistance fighters against the Third Reich. Peter Leisure, son of one of Donovan's partners, and I were classmates at Columbia Law School.

 

Yes, I agree..... Hitler died in that bunker..... he didn't want to risk his body getting paraded through the streets like Mussolini.

All the evidence the show finds proves what was already known... that lots of Nazi's did escape to Argentina.

Still fascinating to watch as the Nazi's in general did accomplish some incredible things.... take away the mass murder and failed invasion of Russia and the world could have been a very different place..... all it would have taken was for them to get the A-bomb before anyone else.

 

Nahhh... The Nazis had lost Africa by 1942 and were unable to mine for uranium in Russia by 1943. Even if Heisenberg hadn't botched the math for chain reactions, they didn't have the manufacturing base to refine uranium on an industrial scale and as pointed out, they had problems even obtaining it.

The Nazis had tech advantages in tanks, ICBMs, and jet aircraft... but were at tech disadvantages in computers, encryption, decryption, mass production, atomic weapons, and proximity fused artillery. Those latter 3 are the real killers in an extended war.




*The decision by the UK to treat further aggression on the European continent as act of war against Britain meant that Germany couldn't pick Europe apart one state at a time (their only real hope of winning, and that would have required the USA to stay out and for Japan to have invaded Siberia simultaneous with Barbarosa instead of invading the Philippines and attacking Pearl Harbor).

 

OK... so hypothetical.... you're Hitler in 1933..... set aside the Holocaust, and set aside trying to take over the entire world...... what could they have realistically done to take over all of Europe in a way that they could have held it.

 

It s a theory, you can believe it or you can be realistic.
Do you really think the Mossad, Shabak, or Aman would have allowed to live quietly in Argentina?

 

Shown a successful economy and won the hearts of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden with economic assistance.

Brought Spain fully into the fold and made the Spanish Navy a talking point for Franco's bragging rights.

Rigged elections in Hungary and Czechoslovakia to have brought them into the Axis.

Invaded Poland before France, in fact, not invading France if the UK stayed out due to just the sole invasion of Poland.

Keep the UK out with Poland conquered then coordinate with Japan to divide up Russia.

Conquer the CCCP and *then* he could have rolled over France and knocked out the UK once Russia was out.



...but, if the USA still decided to intervene, say to restore the UK, even that Greater Reich couldn't have stopped us because again, the Germans botched the atomic chain reaction math, didn't have the industrial capacity to refine Uranium on a scale required for global conflict, were woefully behind in computers/encryption/decryption, and didn't have the population base or the mass production manufacturing base for any sort of all-out war with the USA.



Which is to say, there is a way that Hitler could have won Europe, but he couldn't have held it. Huge failure on his part to not bring in Franco/Spain, as well.

 

Yes, crazy to think about.

Could have led to an alternate universe version of the Cold War..... of the USA vs a Nazi controlled Europe....... I can't imagine that one would have stayed cold.

 

Orwell touched on that alternative universe with a 3 way global war.

Liu Cixin takes Orwell's 3 way global war one step further by tossing in an Alien invasion that picks sides and plays one segment of humans against another.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20518872-the-three-body-problem

 

One of the legitimate grievances that the UK had against Germany was that Hitler was violating the terms of the Armistice by building ships larger and with more guns than was allowed by treaty.

Spain had no such restrictions.

A Germany that had brought in Franco (the fascist who defeated the Communists in Spain's civil war) could have helped build and flag an entire navy as Spain's, legally.

Tensions would have been much lower, and popular sentiment in the UK for war vastly reduced, had Germany stayed within Versailles legal limits.


Germany needed to get further before the UK got involved.


When full war did break out, then Germany would have needed Japan's help in conquering the CCCP. Japan bringing in the USA just when Germany brought Russia into the war was catastrophic. Idiotic. Fatal.

Germany needed all of Japan invading Siberia as Germany invaded Russia, not Japan bringing the USA into the war.



The Spain/Japan/USA problem was logistically, economically, and militarily insurmountable for tiny Germany.

 

Yes. They could have gone so much farther without the USA and UK getting involved..... they did not even WANT to get involved until they were forced to.

Also. If you take away the holocaust, they could have written history as the saviors of Europe. Pointless. And the world of tech/innovation would have been a different story than all that talent concentrating in the USA.

 

There wasn't even that much tech talent, and more would have come to the USA without WW2 simply due to funding. It's the CCCP that would have suffered from the (lack of German) talent.

Germany's ICBM program was based on America's Goddard. Germany's tanks were superior only because U.S. generals held the belief that artillery would take out tanks no matter the armoring (and on a global war scale, that's true).

The USA had its own jets flying in 1944, the UK had them in 1943. Germany basically had a 1 year edge in jets.

That's like looking at a Samsung phone versus an iPhone. Not enough difference to make up for the numbers that could be produced.

 

No, it was Brazil.