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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari' started by Ferrari D-Zyner, Mar 28, 2005.

  1. Ferrari D-Zyner

    Mar 26, 2005
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    Honestly, why would you get an Enzo when you can get an MC12? Although I admire the enzo's engineering and agressive design, It still can't compare to the beauty of the F50 before it, or even the lesser F430 of today, (kinda orinic considering that the F430 is based mostly on design cues stolen from the Enzo). In all Honesty, I would get an MC12. They're faster, more readily available, still built by Ferrari, and generally look better. Any parts that the MC12 doesn't share with the enzo, it improves on. The main difference is that the MC12 is more aerodynamic, lighter, and much sleeker by anyone's standards. It would be nice if they came in red though... http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/maserati_mc12.asp
     
  2. Willis360

    Willis360 F1 Rookie

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    Only 25 MC12 built total. All spoken for.
     
  3. Carrera_gtcrazy

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    25 in 2004 and 25 in 2005, Therefore in total 50 will be made.
     
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  5. F430-Monza

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    Ok...let me tell u why...coz we go for the best...and second best ain't our kind of stuff !
     
  6. steve f

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    I would not have either to many electronic driving aids fitted to these cars they are made for people with too much money who cant drive a proper car drove a paddle shift gallardo on the track last week what a big dissapointment all the electronic driving aids kicking in even my grandma could drive a paddle shift FI ferrari or really a [AUTOMATIC]
     
  7. mattymouse33

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    Only my opinion but the MC12 is a revolting looking car. If its after supercar status, i hope it fails miserably!
     
  8. Willis360

    Willis360 F1 Rookie

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    Just checked on the official Maserati site. You're right. A second series of 25 cars will be built this year.
     
  9. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Send ur resume to Ferrari then , im sure you and your grandma could lap schumacher .
     
  10. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ

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    How do you know its faster ? i dont see why it should as its heavier and doesnt have the Ceramic brakes.

    And its not more readily available , certainly not in the US where its still not homologated.

    As for looks , well thats your opinion.
     
  11. tfazio

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    You cant get an MC12 in the United States. I also think an Enzo looks better than the MC12.
     
  12. JStone414

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    The MC12 is NOT faster in any way than the Enzo. There is an article in this month's Car (british magazine) which reviews the Maserati MC12. The engineers state that the Enzo is the faster of the two. Ferrari wants the Enzo to the be flagship vehicle of both brands, thus the MC12 development was curbed to make it actually slower than the Enzo. Interesting though is that the majority of Enzo testing was done on the road whereas the MC12 was proven on the Fiorano track. No one is saying that the opportunity to improve was not there, but Ferrari demanded that the enzo be faster.

    Like someone stated before, the MC12 will have very limited production, all are spoken for. Each model comes in the same color with the same options.
     
  13. elms

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    I know someone who has actually sold his Enzo to make way for a MC12 as he swears that the Maserati is the better car to drive.
     
  14. ultimo

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    A Ferrari is a Ferrari
    A Maserati is a Maserati :)
    A 1000HP Nissan GTR is a NISSAN
     
  15. Webby

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    here's your solution: just get an F50 :)
     
  16. 96impalaSS

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    Or better yet an F40. I'd marry that car.
     
  17. FastLapp

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    Mc12 Faster?? Not in top speed or accleration.

    MC12
    0-60mph: 3.8 sec
    Top Speed: 205 mph

    Enzo
    0-60: 3.3 seconds
    Top Speed: 217 mph
     
  18. Ferrari0324

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    I thought the Mas. was only built for racing, not street legal. Am I wrong?
     
  19. kito

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    Isn't it a detuned Enzo engine?
     
  20. CabooseF430

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    the MC12 looks like its stuck in the 80s id much rather have an Enzo
     
  21. MrApex

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    From what I understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong), Maserati had to build a certain number of homologated (read street-legal) cars in order to be able to go racing according to FIA regulations.

    The MC12 unfortunately isn't street legal in Canada or the US but it is in Europe.
     
  22. TRiv

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    Exactly, IMO ( this should be the rule), any factory high performance/sports/super cars should be made by the manufacturer who puts their name/emblem on the car. Sure pieces and some sub assemblies need to be out sourced, the engine for sure, and the basic design should be of the said manufacturer. Reconfiguring a Ferrari (Enzo) to be a Maserati (MC12) is like something that GM does, ex: (2004-5 Pontiac GTO, Holden with Chevy Corvette engine) Pontiac has nothing to do with it other than name badge and bogus add on styling. It's not "right" in that market, and really not "right" in the elite/supercar end, JMO. would prefer the Enzo because it "is" a Ferrari, tuned as designed, looks/is cleaner, and not into the two tone paint scheme
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  23. Ferrari D-Zyner

    Mar 26, 2005
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    25 will be made per year as long as the car is on the track. And the MC12 is far faster than the enzo from the concpet to execution. The fact is that the Enzo was made to be an ultimate exotic super car. The MC12 was made to be an ultimate Prototype Racecar. The MC12 is simply Faster, More agile and better tuned for the tarmac. Every part on the car was built for the track first, without any compromises. It's not even fair to compare the two really as they are in different classes; the enzo being a supercar, the MC12 being a Racecar Replica. But if I was going to have a $500K+ exotic in my garage, it would most definitely be an MC12.

    PS: Feel free to bring any arguments to the table regarding the performance comparison between the two cars.
     
  24. Ferrari D-Zyner

    Mar 26, 2005
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    To adress several posts. This car was built for racing, as is the heritage of maserati. And I'm not sure what british mag talked to which engineers, but the idea that Ferrari would launch a race program and limit the performance of it's race cars to boost market value of another car is just preposterous. For one, Ferrari Built the MC12 to perform as fast as it possibly could within regulations set by the FIA. It's engine produces less power because it is required to have restrictor plates installed to conform with these FIA regulations. Without the restrictors, the engine rips the Enzo a new one, but once again this is a race car first. Secondly, the MC12 not only weighs substantially less than the Enzo, but it can handle at exponentially higher loads. Any car with more than a G lateral acceleration is considered a supercar (such as the hadling aspects of the Enzo), but race cars like the MC12 can handle over 1.5Gs and regularly do so on the track. Basically, any turn the Enzo can take at 60, the MC12 can take at 80 giving it an extreme performance edge. Next comes the issue of straight line acceleration. Enzo goes 0-60 in 3.2 (Really 3.3 in all reality, regardless of how well you shift), the MC12 in 3.8 (Although road testers have also said that this is inaccurate as the Massi will run to 60 in 3.6s without a hitch). Even trusting that the official number were right, did anyone care to check the 0-100 numbers, or the 60-120, 100-200? The fact is that the Maserati (once again being built for the track) would very rarely ever dip below 60 in the racing cicuit, due mostly to its superb handling chracteristics at high speed, so the car was geared for Acceleration at much higher speeds. The Enzo on the other hand will be taken on public roads where low speed acceleration is far more important. An MC12 will absolutely spank an Enzo and send it crying for its mommy in a 1/4 mile run, and even moreso in a 1/2 or full mile as is the length of the straights at many modern speedways. If you're still not convinced, you should compare the dyno numbers on an MC12 compared to those of an Enzo. Many owners would be horrified to learn that the MC12 has more RWHP than the Enzo, Due to a much lighter drivetrain and more efficient gearing. But here's the one that will really kill you. The engine in the Enzo, is actually a detuned MC engine.Take out the restrictor plates on an MC and it makes well over 700HP (well over). And for all intents and purposes,m the MC is built on it's own frame suspension, body, and drivetrian. Every part on it is designed for racing, and racing alone. Every part on the car is different from what is used in the enzo, including the engine which is made of harder alloy in order to withstand the rigors of endurance racing. People this is a pointless argument. Saying that an Enzo is faster than an MC12 is like saying an F50 is faster than an 333SP. It's not even applicable.
     
  25. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I think you are mixing up the MC12 road car and its race version.

    Also , homologation specials dont have to have restrictors , only the race cars. So the MC12 produces less hp than an Enzo because Ferrari decided so.
    The MC 12 has a dry weight of 1335kg vs 1244kg for the Enzo .

    The engine is the same in both car , only slightly detuned in the Maserati.
    However , the Enzo would probably have the advantage on the track due to :

    Ceramic Brakes
    Active Aero
     

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