Horrible Experience with Norwood Autocraft! Beware of Bob Norwood

It was meant to say the knock offs was real Ferrari knock offs

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No reasonable buyer would read that to be limited to the knock-offs themselves.

Is the $2000 worth the reputation damage?

 

It won't damage Mr. Norwood's rep. And it was a mistype. Mr. Norwood also talked to him and stated the wheels came with the body panels. He never said that they were real. But you also have to realize we tried working with him

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You guys are close to making the deal happen. A little effort on both side could materialize this deal.

 

We've tried and he won't budge

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I don't see how you can justify keeping this Man's deposit? Or think this experience will not degrade Norwood's reputation?

1) You have admitted guilt by "mistyping" the for sale ad. Whether it was on purpose or not? This is called misrepresentation.

2) You agreed to reimburse the potential Buyer if the car was not as described. This is the reason for a deposit in the first place. If he would have sent you the full amount, would you feel justified in keeping all of his money after you misrepresented the sale?

3) The potential Buyer said Norwood used profanity (directed at the Buyer) after he questioned some of the parts Norwood was trying to sell? No one likes to be treated this way. Are you really wondering why this Buyer doesn't want to do business with you anymore?

4) You stated that the potential Buyer wasted Norwood's time and that is your justification in keeping the money? Do you realize how this comes off? I hope all the potential Norwood Buyers see this thread. If this doesn't diminish his reputation, I don't know what will? Hopefully you have already refunded this Man's money? I'm shocked that someone in Norwood's position would would act this way...

 

Not a lawyer, have never used Norwoods but know lots who happily have.
It's a rebodied 308. Period. Not a cheap 288. You are foolish if you thought otherwise.
$2k. You both spent time on it. Sorry, deal done.
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Get it over and be done. These threads never go well. Thank god it's not a Pacer.

 

Don't know much about 288gto's, other than they look awesome...

But I would think that if this car has the original body panels, that's gotta be worth some coin...

If I had 100k laying around, I would buy it...

 

Really?? It already did.

 

Yes, I would at this point guide people away......see no logical reason to keep his money

 

288 had longer wheelbase than 308, the car that used to be near me had 308 WB. Rear overhang is longer than 288. It had fiberglass body panels pulled off mold of original. Had plexi windshield, dunno why, former owner (NOT Norwood) went to jail for embezzlement (paid for lots of cars). I can't find this thing on web, Norwood's site has zip. Those wheels are pretty easy to spot if you've looked at a 288 hard.
If Norwoods offered your money back to unwind, take it.

 

Only have one question.

Schulz308 - If Norwood put original wheels on the car and sold it to you for $110K, would you buy it, right now, today? Would you wire the funds, go pick up the car and be happy?

OK, I have a second question.

bigred95. Can you live with $110K and you buy the wheels and put them on the car? After all, you should be able to recover some of the cost selling the other set of wheels, right?

You guys are so close on this, sounds to me like two minutes of calm, cool and collected thinking could get this deal all sewed up.

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What do rebodied 308s go for? Hmmm?

 

My advise to Norwood is to return the money. This guy is a pain, and even if they come to a deal, there will be other items for him to complain about. When a deal smells, it's time to put it away. Life is too short to deal with folks like this.

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Bob Norwood here. This story has a happy ending: Cory barged in to a sale we had going and wanted to purchase the 288 prototype.He made lots of promises and never came here to look at the car. He claimed that this was not real Ferrari parts.
I personaly bought this body and subframes with the wheels at the factory when i was picking up new 288's to send to Dallas and certify. Yes it has things that are different than later production cars. Real Ferrari Guys know how things go at the Factory.
Things are ever changing as they move to a production car. The 288 is going to a home that knows how unique this car is and loves it. Bob.
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If I never hear this argument again for the rest of my life, it would be ok with me.

 

So, Bob, are you keeping the $2000?

 

Tillman here's what you don't understand that the verbal agreement between Bob and this Corey guy was that if the car was not as he described it then he would get his money back, but the point is he never showed up to even look at the car he kept giving us the run-around saying he was coming this day and then that day and never showed.

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Good thing to do here is return the deposit, even if you think you are in the right.

 

I agree. I think Norwood is in the right and he probably can keep the deposit but just because you can do something doesn't me you should. If you go full asking price from someone else give him the money back and be done with it.

 

Yup, this.

All the other stuff is just stuff.

Bob has a buyer, a new buyer, even though I betcha technically the OP still has a right to the car, unless he voided the agreement in writing.

Bob, it would seem to me, can only void the agreement by returning the deposit, anything else, and he's still obligated to the OP.

So, best/easiest thing to do is return the deposit, walk away friends and sell to the new guy who seems to really want it.

Just my $.02, all standard disclaimers apply.

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How about a compromise? Split the difference. Is the OP willing to accept even though he allegedly didn't perform his said part of the deal?

 

But your verbal agreement is still binding. You can't have it both ways. Suppose he calls on you tomorrow, asks where his car is and you've sold it.

OOPS. That could be a problem.

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The verbal agreement was that if the car was not as he described when he showed up to look at the car then he would get his money back he never showed up!

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