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Hot start-up questions.....

Discussion in '348/355' started by cscott67, May 30, 2007.

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  1. cscott67

    cscott67 Formula Junior

    May 13, 2007
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    348 starts good cold, but doesn't always catch on hot starts. I have read on here about the new battery suggestion, and also the start relay for ignition. What do you guys reccomend for the BEST battery? Should I pull the alternator and rebuild it if a new battery fixes the hot-start problem? Thanks again for the advice and suggestions, Scott
     
  2. fxdwgs

    fxdwgs Formula 3

    Aug 22, 2006
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    Probably wont need no new battery.

    Change them wires from battery to starter and from battery to earth.

    Most likely this will solve the hot start problem.

    Good luck with the new spider.

    She looks like a QUEEN.

    //B//
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
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    Describe your hot mis-start symptom in more detail. If the engine cranks over well when hot, but doesn't fire -- most likely a flywheel stability problem. If the engine doesn't crank over well -- then you'd be looking at the primary electrical system (battery, alt., connections, etc.).
     
  4. SonomaRik

    SonomaRik F1 Veteran

    check out this thread too:
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152618
     
  5. Dr.T348

    Dr.T348 Formula 3

    Jan 8, 2004
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    As above, depends on what happens whith hot start. could be one of several things. More explanation is needed.

    Mine had trouble, but engine would turnover but not catch. New tripple seal and repacked flywheel and now no problem at all.
     
  6. bushwhacker

    bushwhacker In Memoriam

    May 25, 2006
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    All good advice above, I'll throw in my 2 cents worth.
    After a drive I always raise the rear deck lid and let the engine breath (cool off) even if just for a few minutes. Let the heat dissipate a little, your engine will thank you as well as your solenoid. If I'm about to put the car away the deck lid always goes up and the car cover only goes on the front half of the car until I come back later after the engine, exhaust, cats, etc. have had to a chance to cool down.Enjoy the ride!
     
  7. cscott67

    cscott67 Formula Junior

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    Car does crank over, sort of catches and then doesn't. It doesn't have that "marbles" sound Daniel from Ricambi mentioned concerning the flywheel. I just put in the new battery, (4-5ys old) and will take it for a ride tonight to see what happens. I put an optima red-top in it, 34R. Cranks over superfast now compared to the old battery. (hey, maybe I'll get lucky!!) Thanks for the cool-off suggestions, I have actually already been doing that, Scott
     
  8. stuckinkuwait

    stuckinkuwait Formula Junior

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    Scott, I had the same exact problem in my 1990 348. I had the dealer change the two fuel regulators and clean the injectors, and now the car works fine. No more hot start problems.
     
  9. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    Yup. If a 348 motor turns over via the starter, but doesn't "catch" to actually start up, then the first thing to check are the fuel regulators.

    The easiest test is the No Doubt Hot Start method: start 348 when cold, drive until hot, then turn off the motor. As soon as the motor stops turning, immediately restart.

    If your 348 restarts per the above test, then your problem is not flywheel grease related.

    Easy test...you don't even get your hands greasy.


    Now, to test the Fuel Pressure Regulators, simply pull off the tiny black vacuum hose that runs to each one. The presence of fuel in that line indicates a failed FPR.
     
  10. cscott67

    cscott67 Formula Junior

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    (It cranks really well and seems to run better though) Still has trouble starting. If I put the gas peddle down just a hair, it fires up. I think you guys are right about the regulators. I will look in the manual and see where they are and check them.

    No Doubt, do you know what they cost to replace and best place to get them? Thanks for the help guys, Scott
     
  11. cscott67

    cscott67 Formula Junior

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    Good page No Doubt! I'll check the FPR when I get home tonight, Scott



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  12. tamf328

    tamf328 Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2005
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    Had a hot start problem with my 90 ts.
    found both regulators leaking through the vacuum port.

    i used the bosch part to replace both. number is on the regulator.
    30 minutes per side to replace.
    did a write up on it somewhere if it's still around.

    no more issues with starting.
     
  13. cscott67

    cscott67 Formula Junior

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    I'm hoping it is the regulators, I'll find out tonight. Scott
     
  14. 95spiderman

    95spiderman F1 World Champ
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    car had this problem when i first got it. it was from the flywheel grease. this will need to be done with the belt change anyway so dont waste effort on electrical issues until then. good luck
     
  15. Miltonian

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    My 348's hot start problem was the flywheel, 100% cured by repacking several years ago.
     
  16. cscott67

    cscott67 Formula Junior

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    I will slap the regulators in first, and then tackle the re-packing. Have to look for thread on it, Scott
     
  17. Miltonian

    Miltonian F1 Veteran

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    Yes Scott, I repacked my flywheel by myself, before I had the benefit of advice from fellow FChatters - had to learn to do it on my own.

    It's easy to remove the clutch housing (including the flywheel) from the car with simple hand tools. You need a special tool to remove the ring nut to take the flywheel off the housing, it's torqued on very tight, and the flywheel probably needs to be pressed off in a hydraulic press. It isn't difficult, just something you might need a hand with. Once the flywheel is off, it's pretty simple to open it up, clean it out, and repack it with the special grease. There is NO help at all coming from the Workshop Manual, Ferrari obviously just wants you to spend the $3000 or so on a new flywheel, when you can repack it for less than $100.
     
  18. cscott67

    cscott67 Formula Junior

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    I have friends with tool boxes bigger than mine!! ;o) And we have the necc. press and pullers. I'll post some pics when I do pull it apart. Right now I'm trying figure out why I should pay 23-2500 for a stailnless exhaust.......seems to me a cross-over pipe in stainless with a few mandrel bends and a couple of inserts with tips shoould do juuuust fiiiiine!! Maybe 300 bucks in parts, Scott
     

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