How do we stop the electric car mandate?

All individuals can do is express their opinions with their wallets.....to an extent that is already happening seeing massive, Un-Ferrari like depreciation on 296 and SF90 while values are still above MSRP for F8s and 812 GTS. Lamborghini is having trouble selling both their new cars.

We have 6 cars and all of them are ICE cars only, and it will stay that way.

 

Not sure of your location, but looks like the EV mandate is reversing here in the States. With that said, most of the cars we like on this particular forum tend to come from automakers outside of the US, so new cars will continue to go in this hybrid/ev direction.

 

On top of that, Ferraris probably average 1k miles/year on the road vs. 12k miles/year for the avg car so real life emissions are even less. The EV/emissions situation is purely being driven by political optics and very little basis in reality sadly. Low volume manufacturers and low uses-cases should get exemptions or relaxed regulations. Europe is (slowly) starting to realize they are imploding their car industry and handing the market to Chinese EVs. As people start to realize this will lead to massive layoffs and not just low profits or losses for European car makers, this will change.

 

Lamborghini and Ferrari tried to argue this point to the EU. If I remember correctly, the Italian PM even tried to go bat for them but it didn't work. The Porsche CEO was AGAINST Lamborghini which I thought was a bit of a surprise considering VAG relationship.

Edit to source: Original Italy 2021 pushback

Lamborghini trying to pushback again last year

 

The market is going to address the mandates. EV's in their current state just don't have the infrastructure to support a wholesale conversion to electric. In most US states, the charging infrastructure simply doesn't exist outside of major cities, and the ones that have them are often full. Outside of those areas, good luck. Range is another complicating factor. In my home state, the distances involved mean that electrics just dont make any sense. For example, driving to see my dad in a smaller city here is effectively a one way trip, and then I have to hopefully find a charger.

In smaller states or countries, it makes more sense, but ironically enough, the demand on the electrical grid actually increases the demand for fossil fuels to power them (the evs).

Finally, as we are finding with the fire issues on batteries, there are serious environmental and health hazards associated with the batteries that need to be addressed long term. Those concerns have been essentially swept under the rug, but the will surface again as more events occur.

Basically, electrics are a effective solution in urban areas with the charging infrastructure to to support them for short distance, short term travel. They are not cost effective or efficient for long distance/long term travel and wont be until infrastructure and battery issues are addressed/improved.

 

People seem to think of EVs and the transition to all or nothing. There should be more nuance. I have an EV an doing errands and putzing around in a city make it clearly the better option. For most people, EVs (not considering cost) are the best choice. That said, long trips, especially in America, require a lot more planning and you get a lot more anxiety on the trip due to infrastructure issues. Until we can fix that feeling, this can't be an all or nothing mandate.

 

The mandates DO make this out to be a zero sum game. Because they know that in an open market, EVs will not get the market penetration they desire (100%). In truth, for the USA, EVs work for urban homeowners (not apartment dwellers) with short commutes....but for very few others

 

Having had an electric vehicle here in the Midwest for two years, we just aren’t ready yet.
Got rid of it at the end of the lease.

 

To the OP, the answer is don't buy one.

 

I think he’s more concerned about not having a choice, which is exactly where we were headed until a few months ago.

 

I think it’s inevitable that hydrogen and/or electric will be the mode for mass transit. It’s not just about us, it’s about the 3 billion people coming online to have cars.... and most importantly, government control.
It’s important to resist as long as possible, as said by others, resist with your wallet. I do.

 

We don't

Hopefully there'll be an exemption for low volume manufacturers but it'll be hard to get through legislation without looking like an exemption for millionaires .... because that's exactly what it is.

Most likely the only new cars that will be "allowed" to be sold with ICE engines in 20 years or something will be the ultra boutique cars that basically never get run anyways (the SP3s, Koenigseggs, Paganis of the world) or dedicated motorsports/track vehicles (non-road legal).

Honestly the question should be phrased more as... in 20 years will gasoline/petrol be available enough such that you can even run a petrol car. It's like horses. At a certain point it isn't even like can you afford a horse. You could be Jeff Bezos but you're not gonna be able to ride your horse around in Miami.

If the answer is "yes petrol will still be available" then I guarantee you'll still be able to buy a petrol car ....whether you'll want to because by then they'll all be hybridized and whatever is a different story.

If the answer is "no, petrol/synthetic fuels won't be readiliy available" then the whole question is moot, at that point our cars are just sculptures at best, very expensive paperweights at worst.

 

Why are EVs for most people the best choice? Based on what exactly? Not sure I would agree if that is the thought.

 

Even if not EVs, PHEV for sure is the way to go for commuter vehicles. The efficiency argument really isn't something that can be argued against even if the primary power source is fossil fuel in nature.

The speed at which we adopt is something that can be debated, too fast is unfeasible and too slow is just sub-optimal.

Even without the carbon emission/climate change argument. Petroleum IS a finite resource. There's nothing that can be done about that. Is it a 20 year problem or 50 year problem or 100 year problem ? Again, that's to be debated but thinking of what do we do if it runs out ... BEFORE it runs out is prudent. The rest of the world developing and all wanting their cars/energy as well is something that needs to be factored in as well. People in Africa, India, South East Asia, etc. will all want to increase their standard of living as their incomes go up, that almost always means more cars.

Honestly I think PHEVs make much more sense than pure EVs. We're battery constrained at the moment and probably will be for quite some time. It's far better to utilize that bottleneck resource in PHEVs which can operate as a pure EV 90% of the time. Splitting up a 100kwh battery into ten 10kwh batteries and having 10 PHEVs is better than having 1 pure EV + 9 ICE.