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How far behind is McLaren ?

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  1. Mulehead

    Mulehead Formula Junior

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    Uncle Ron should go down to his local honda deal and buy some civics and field them ;) to win must first finish . And to finish you must start so baby steps uncle Ron . What did Ron once say to media he makes history you guys report it impo Ron is history
     
  2. F2003-GA

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    Your calling an end to McLaren or Ron's reign ?
     
  3. Igor Ound

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    I think Ron cares more for his own ego than for McLaren's good. Contrary for example to Ecclestone who puts business first and is ready to step down if it means more money and success. Ron has something of the ship's captain about him, he'll end up going down with it.
     
  4. F2003-GA

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    He own's a lot of McLaren stock But not enough so as to NOT get fired
    Plus the board can elect to sell the company if Ron's turnaround plan fails
     
  5. NJB13

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    The common thread is crooks and crims in F1. In Chapman's case he died before justice caught up with him. Ron was left virtually unpunished and allowed to benefit from the stolen goods he and his team knowingly received.
     
  6. F2003-GA

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    Jeez McLaren are in the same position as Australia - 2015 is a writeoff
     
  7. furoni

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    Let's start a "Ron sucks thread" :)
     
  8. Igor Ound

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    Would be boring (just like him) not enough people would defend him.
     
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  10. PSk

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    BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If Bernie had stepped down 10+ years ago F1 would be in a far better place. All these guys have massive egos and believe that only they are the answer.
    Pete
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    Just about everybody is a crook if given uncontrolled access to money. Why don't politicians put processes in place to ensure the money is uncontrolled? ... because most politicians are crooks too and don't want the same controls monitoring them. This can be the only answer otherwise I cannot understand why they distribute money with the maturity of a 6 year old.

    But yes back to McLaren's Honda issue. I suggest they purchase one of Jim's SCG003 engines :)
     
  11. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I cannot understand all that hatred against Ron Dennis, I really can't.

    Ron Dennis has been a stalwart behind F1 for many years and had earned his spurr more than many.
    He knows F1 from the ground up, and climbed his way up to the top. From being a humble mechanic, to F2 team owner, then rescuing McLaren to build it into an empire well beyond motor racing.
    He is a successful individual, a self-made man who should be admired and not reviled.
    He proved to be a leader, a successful businessman, a clever entrepreneur and a F1 principal second to none.
     
  12. PSk

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    Yes it is pathetic, but then this is a Ferrari site ;)
    Pete
    ps: Same can be said for the hatred of Alonso ... just weird. They don't even know these people!
     
  13. furoni

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    Some folks don't like arrogant people...i guess it's as simple as that....
     
  14. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    So, by definition it has to be bias against any non-Ferrari teams/individuals?

    That is pathetic ...
     
  15. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Not many people would have liked Enzo Ferrari then !

    Just saying ...
     
  16. furoni

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    I guess not...but as someone said, this is Ferrarichat!!
     
  17. VIZSLA

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    Glass houses.
     
  18. NJB13

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    #643 NJB13, Jul 4, 2015
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    Arrogant isn't the issue AFAIC.

    Ron and his team knowingly accepted stolen goods. That is criminal and that's a fact.

    He lied about it. Another fact. As each part of his lie was uncovered he lied more.

    Ron never had enough character to apologize to the victim - another fact.

    McLaren benefited from the stolen IP.

    What's laughable is people trying to justify that because he's been around for a long time the stealing and lying is ok. Which is as bad as people who try and dismiss these facts as dislike of Ron.

    There's a natural justice to McLaren's plummeting fortune since Ron's return. With luck, enough people who love him and are willing to ignore the criminal stuff, will keep sway and keep him in charge - so I can continue to enjoy the justice of their predicament.
     
  19. F2003-GA

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    IMO Ron is no different than NE Pats :)
     
  20. VIZSLA

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    Now you've gone TOO FAR!
     
  21. nsxrebel

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    I don't follow NFL, or any other sports for that matter (except F1 and MotoGP), but I LOATHE the pats.
     
  22. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    ?
     
  23. furoni

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    What is NE Pats?????
     
  24. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    The New England Patriots; A very successful American football team known to cheat. Their quarterback has been suspended for four games this coming season for lying about a rules infringement and their head coach ("manager" to us) has been heavily fined for stealing information about other teams strategies.

    But - they do win! ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  25. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    They have strategies in American football ?

    Well, I would never have guessed that ...
     

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