Now on eBay in like-new condition http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=180116227389 Is this a common repro item? .
The one on ebay is the real item. This chassis plate was found on 03920 and removed July 1986. There is wear in the holes where the rivets were removed. I also have 06070 off of a GT.
Quote: Originally Posted by ferrari dino I looked up 03920 on Denny's website. It says that the chassis plate 04920 was on this car. I have the chassis plate 04920 on my bulletin board. I would guess this car is missing it's chassis plate. Quote: Originally Posted by dinogts Mismatched chassis and serial number? Another RM Auction? Starting to stink a little . . . but so soon after the Ponder Auction? The plot thickens, or does it simply turn a little more ripe? Mark Quote: Originally Posted by wspeer no mismatched serial number. the car is 03920. although the firewall plate was missing and the dino registry had a notation about 04920, the car is 03920. also, not rm auction. the auction was put on by world wide group. i can't say anything about the rm auction guys as i have never been involved with them. world wide group is a very nicely run auction with silly games or questions. ******************* 1. Why would someone be "collecting" the chasis plates? That truly sucks, if anyone on this forum is at all concerned about fraud. 2. I didn't state that this was an RM auction. I only asked a rhetorical question (= "a question to which no answer is expected.") Mark
Quote: Originally Posted by dinogts 1. Why would someone be "collecting" the chasis plates? That truly sucks, if anyone on this forum is at all concerned about fraud. Mark I'm not quite sure what you mean. I was given one chassis plate by a friend who is now deceased. The other chassis plate I purchased from a Ferrari mechanic who had it buried in his tool box for years. Tell me what is the part that truly "sucks".
Do I understand correctly that you have two bearing the same number? If they are the same (not different, such as one Federalization and one chassis plate), does that mean that someone has been producing repros of the plate and stamping them ala corvette shenanigans?
No I do not have two bearing the same number. I have 04920 and 06070. Where did you get the idea I had two with the same number? I have the original 04920 taken off of 03920.
Mark, You may want to contact the seller and buyer of this chassis plate. http://cgi.ebay.com/Ferrari-Dino-246-Chassis-Number-Plate-1973_W0QQitemZ330046362363QQihZ014QQcategoryZ10380QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I don't know how original chassis plates can be used as fraud because I am honest and don't think like that. I have no idea what Corvette style "shenanigans means. I nominate MARK to be the chassis plate police and set guide lines for chassis plate owners to know what they are allowed to do with their personal property.
I decline the nomination. But the fact is, chassis plates and other identifying markers are some of the very first things (well, next to license plates) that theives and crooks swap. And, because of that, it is sometimes very hard to register an out of state car. For example, a few years ago I bought a special 1959 Austin-Healey, a quasi-prototype for the first AH 3000, from a seller in Oregon. When I tried to register it in Washington, even with title records going back to 1964, the State Patrol gave me the run-around for 3 months because the chassis plate was attached to the firewall with rivets (and they are also sometimes attached the same way on frame rails) - the way virtually all AH chassis numbers are (or rather, were) attached. The inspection officers stuck to this position despite the several books I supplied with examples of factory photos of chassis plates and concours winners. The lecture was always the same - "How do we know this wasn't swapped? How do we know this wasn't stolen? How do we know this wasn't originally on a salvage title?" I finally got the Captain of the unit to clear the car. That process "sucked" too. Mark
The chassis plate riveted on a Dino is secondary. The frame has the number scribed in it. The serial number is on the steering column on some Dino's. Let's go fishing. Who knows where all the serial numbers are on a USA and Euro Dino? This question has an intent of education and not fraud.
i would assume that 03920 had a plate for 04920 originally, a human error. the dino register doesn't have a record of 04920. does anyone know where 04920 is?
I would have to agree. Both of the serial numbers are from 1972. 04922 is a 1972 Euro GT. Ferrari can identify a serial number of a car even if it's missing off the frame. There is a correlation between the numbers stamped behind the expansion tank and the serial number of the car.
