How many GTO's (1960's)

There are 4 original LMB bodies: 4713GT in 250 GTO configuration, and #4381SA, #4453SA and #4752SA in 330 configuration. #4381SA and #4752SA are regularly to been seen in historic racing in Europe. #4453SA is stationed in the U.S. and was last year to be seen at Lime Rock.

 

Sorry, but that's not correct. 4091 GT was rebodied in 1964 in the GTO/64 body style. Scott Borman had it restored in the U.S. in the late 1970s, by Steven Griswold as I recall. Peter Sachs bought it in 1982 or '83 from Borman.

 

Old Guy, my information is taken from the Pourret 250 GT Competition bible, so maybe he was wrong.

 

Boudewijn, you might check Jess Pourret's book again. I think my statement agrees with the book, at least the (old) edition I have. I was there, knew both Scott Borman and Peter Sachs well, and I'm quite sure of what I wrote. (I do think Jess has an error, showing Joe Marchetti in the chain of ownership between Borman and Sachs. I don't remember it that way.) Borman and I had a long discussion about the restoration of 4091, which is why I remember it as a Griswold restoration. Borman wasn't real happy with it, another reason Sachs had the car re-restored.

 

Old Guy, I quoted from "La Legende Ferrari 250 GT Compétition" published by E.P.A. in 1977 (the original french edition) page 380, I quote: "Fin 1983 la voiture fut recarrossée en berlinette 1964, cette carrosserie recevra une prise d'air carburateurs type chaud et la gardera." As I speak french quite well I can only translate this in the texture I already gave. The book indeed states it was in 1982 that the car was sold by Marchetti to Sachs. The text does not show the car was rebodied by Borman. With your experience on this car I am inclined to believe it is the truth what you are telling.

 

Did Bill Gates every own a 250 GTO or is that one of those urban myths?

Curious in Texas

 

Of the three 330 GTOs, two are in the states; 3673 SA (listed as a replica, i don't know why; it says it's a "new 250 GTO body on a new 250 GTO-style chassis) & 3765 LM; the other one, 4561 SA is apparently in China...

i can't wait to see one of these cars in person...

 

3673 SA was once thought to be the car which raced at the Nurburgring as a four liter GTO, when in fact it appears that 3765 LM raced at both the 'ring and at LeMans. 3673 was sold by Ferrari as a 400 SA with a 250 SWB-style body, which was apparently original. Based on the (erroneous?) belief that it had once raced as a GTO, it has been modified and rebodied as a 330 GTO. That leaves 3765 LM and 4561 SA as the real 330 GTOs; 3765 with race history, and 4561 as a road car built for a member of SEFAC's board.

No, this probably doesn't make sense, but it gives historians something to argue over. It also has some effect on values; an Enzo won't even make a good down payment on a GTO. (The last sale was claimed to be in the $10M range. With trades and such involved the real value was probably somewhat less, but still off the scale.)

Bill Gates never owned at GTO. Tommy Hilfiger didn't either.

4091 left Ferrari as a GTO/64 according to every source I know. When Griswold restored it for Borman it was already a 1964 body style. (My French is useless after "oui," so I don't doubt your translation. I have the English edition of Jess' book. I'd never before heard a claim that 4091 had left Ferrari as a '62/'63 style, and believe that is incorrect.)

 

3765SA is owned by local Ferrari collecter Jim Jaeger. At the 1998 Cincinnati Concours Ferrari was the featured marque and the event Program featured an article on 3765SA and the other "4 liter GTOs" re-printed from the Aug/Sept 1996 issue of Cavillino Magazine. The article states that 3765SA was built on a modified 400SA chassis (type 538/566) and was fitted with a tuned 400 SA engine (type 163LM) and a four speed gearbox. At LeMans-1962, driven by Parkes/Bandini, the car retired after 6 hours. Photo from the Ohio Concours website. http://ohioconcours.com/h98f.htm

 

One of my "best days ever", I got a ride in one of the GTOs with the 64 body style. Somewhere I have a book that shows each one page by page ser # by ser#. I have to dig it out to look for #s.

 

Ok,
so 3673SA is a 400 Superamerica châssis which was sold by the factory with a SWB body style. And now rebodied as a 250 GTO and owned by Matsuda.

And what about 3909GT it is a real 250 GTO ?

Alain

 

I have this pic in my collection under the name "250 GTO 400SA". Could this be 3673?
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Pic of 3765SA at the Nürburgring 1962.
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I have this as 3673SA, as it also is in 'FERRARI 250GTO' by Bluemel, driven by Parkes and Mairesse, finishing 2nd.

Joop

 

3673SA at Matsuda Collection but it is not my photo, I found it here :http://homepage2.nifty.com/auto43/250gto-b1.html

 

Joop,

Jess Pourret has recently been able to do some research in Ferrari's records, and now believes that both appearances of the 4 liter GTO -- Nurburgring and LeMans in 1962 -- were the same car, and that car was 3765 LM. If Jess is correct (and I believe he is), 3673 SA never raced, and never wore a GTO body until recently.

 

Are you referring to a recent acquisition where a GTO went from Asia to the East Coast...?

 

3673 SA has never raced, that's right! Nevertheless the car had a very bad crash and is now fitted with a new GTO styled chassis and a GTO styled body,
keeping the original s/n. That's why I called it a REPLICA.

Matsuda tried to sell 3673 SA to a German. The contract was made but this guy cancelled the deal, so the car newer saw German ground. I heard some
rumors that it is/was with Symbolic...

4561 SA is apparently in Switzerland, also the long time pre owner was Swiss.
CH in my list is the European car plate of Switzerland - sorry, I didn't mean
China.

Helmut

 

small correction: 4752SA is correctly 4725 SA

Helmut

 

That's right OLD Guy. Either Bill Gates nor Hilfiger owned one. Maybe some people think that Hilfiger owns a GTO because of Lawrence Stroll (#3451GT), but Lawrence is the chairman of Tommy Hilfiger, isn't he...

Helmut

 

Thanks for the typefailure correction Helmut.

 

Count the GTO's: Coys historic Festival 1997.
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Helmut, thanks for the clarification...

 

Very nice picture indeed. In which magazine has it been published?

11, (yes eleven) GTO's have been entered at that remarkable race. An event video is available from www.dukevideo.com

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110 minutes - enjoy the stunning sight and sound of 44 Ferrari GT cars, the 11 GTO's inclusive.

In my own records (and picture archive) this event was only topped by the
Moet & Chandon GTO Anniversary Tour 2002 where I have seen 23 GTO's.

I often look on my GTO-CD, esp. on these fuc... cold winterdays

Helmut

 

Lawrence Stroll is the former Chairman of Tommy Hilfiger, having stepped down something over a year ago.